***Official*** New Zealand tour of Zimbabwe and South Africa 2016

[DriveClub]

I'm just telling it how it is fella. And you're post was NOT a prediction for Anderson.......you stated it as a done deal.

And if you seriously think he is done and dusted, well we've heard it all before mate. And guess what.......he just comes back better.

Edit:

And if you do want to salvage some shred of credibility, how about you tell us how come he's finished and been so **** since his injury?? I've posted his stats and Jmay posted that he's been hitting 87-89 mph so his speeds not down as you falsely claimed.

I'll be very interested to hear your "expert" analysis......

I only watched the 4th test and he was bowling 125-130 then. Anderson is mainly a swing bowler and loss of pace will affect him a lot. Thats my reasoning.

And look here, you can come back one year later and call me out if I was wrong but stop posting about my credibility and stuff.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

who cares about anderson? this thread is about dale steyn.

 

[Tec15]

I know people love Vern here but I do think he will struggle outside the South African seaming pitches infact before injury I don't remember the last time he made any impact in an away test all 3 Eanglish seamers are ahead of him however Steyn and Kagiso triumphs over anyone that plays for England.

Like he "struggled" against Pakistan in the UAE? Same old song, never changes, but sure Woakes who has had two good series at home is irrefutably better than Philander in away conditions. Sure.

 

[Black_Warrior]

I hope he doesn't prove me wrong but I do find the notion strange that Philander will struggle in Australia. Yes Morkel gives you extra pace and bounce but he is not one to take a bunch of wickets..never been that bowler..yes you want someone like Morkel or Wahab in your side to break partnerships at times, to push batsmen on the backfoot, but they are not necessarily your main strike bowlers who will run through a side. Philander has demonstrated ability to do that, but even if he doesn't move the ball as much as he is capable of in Australian pitches, SA will still need a strong holding bowler. They only have 4 bowlers and will struggle with it like Pakistan did in England. If like Tahir, Piedt goes for runs, Steyn and Rabada will tire out and you need Philander to hold it together. At least you can always count on him for that.

Having said that, if the circumstances change and you're 0-1 down and Philander is not bowling well, by all means get Morkel in.

 

[Daemon]

I'm sure Philander will solve the dilemma for everyone by contracting a virus on the morning of the series at the first sign of a flat wicket.

 

[Niall]

I hope he doesn't prove me wrong but I do find the notion strange that Philander will struggle in Australia. Yes Morkel gives you extra pace and bounce but he is not one to take a bunch of wickets..never been that bowler..yes you want someone like Morkel or Wahab in your side to break partnerships at times, to push batsmen on the backfoot, but they are not necessarily your main strike bowlers who will run through a side. Philander has demonstrated ability to do that, but even if he doesn't move the ball as much as he is capable of in Australian pitches, SA will still need a strong holding bowler. They only have 4 bowlers and will struggle with it like Pakistan did in England. If like Tahir, Piedt goes for runs, Steyn and Rabada will tire out and you need Philander to hold it together. At least you can always count on him for that.

Having said that, if the circumstances change and you're 0-1 down and Philander is not bowling well, by all means get Morkel in.

Have a look at how Vern did last time he was in Australia and he was in absolute beast form back then, he may prove the sceptics wrong, but its very much up in the air if he will.

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[marc71178]

Be fair Niall, he was injured on that tour, missed a Test IIRC?

 

[akilana]

To be fair to Jim he was injured in SA and with the Saffers bed wetting efforts against Broad (noted strong batting line up) he wasn't required to brush them aside

Like Jim-meh was any good against SA ever.

 

[marc71178]

Like Jim-meh was any good against SA ever.

Proportionally speaking he's better against SA then Steyn is against England.

 

[akilana]

Proportionally speaking he's better against SA then Steyn is against England.

Wrong. Averaging like 38 vs Steyn's 31

Anderson is constantly crap against SA.
Against england, Steyn is usually injured in the middle of a series or making a come back in the middle. The only time he got through a full series without an injury was the 2012 one and it wasnt Jim-meh who was the best bowler in that series. Cant remember if he even took wicket the whole series.

 

[Zinzan]

Lol, can someone please un-sticky this *** of a thread that still gives some of us Kiwis nightmares, It finished nearly 2 weeks ago now. Cheers.

 

[listento_me]

lol I totally forgot this already happened

 

[StephenZA]

The lack of cricket has made this one of test series really feel terrible.... could have easily put another test in this period. (NZ didn`t need a break at home before heading off to India!)

 

[Marius]

The lack of cricket has made this one of test series really feel terrible.... could have easily put another test in this period. (NZ didn`t need a break at home before heading off to India!)

And we would have won 2-0 rather than 1-0!