Why Isn't Mark Butcher in the ODI side?

[Armadillo]

????????

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Probably because of his 27.98 List A average with just 1 hundred. Then again, Collingwood averaged under 30 before he played any ODIs (from memory, not sure) with 1 hundred. Vaughan averages 27.12 with 1 hundred.

All in all, he may end up one of the better Test players to never get a look in in ODIs.

[Armadillo]

Yes but if hes so successful in tests they might as well give him a try in OD. England need an opener right now, maybe hes the man for the job.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

The England selectors seem to think that Vaughan is the man for the job in ODIs, but I think that if they were to try someone else, a younger batsman (Strauss perhaps?) would be the better option.

[Armadillo]

I think Michael Vaughan has been one of the worst cases of a batsman who has failed under captincy

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Admittedly he has been under par thus far, but he's had a couple of good innings and it's too early to call him a failure. Habibul Bashar has had a worse start...

[Richard]

Originally posted by Armadillo
I think Michael Vaughan has been one of the worst cases of a batsman who has failed under captincy

Vaughan's ODI failures are absolutely nothing to do with the captaincy.
He has never been a good one-day player all his career. Exactly the same, in fact, as Butcher. Neither should have been \ should be picked for ODIs.
Test-match success doesn't mean a thing as to ODIs, we've seen that countless times. They're different forms of the game.

[Richard]

Originally posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
The England selectors seem to think that Vaughan is the man for the job in ODIs, but I think that if they were to try someone else, a younger batsman (Strauss perhaps?) would be the better option.

Strauss has never been much of a one-day player either.
His 2003 wasn't too bad, but the time before that wasn't too impressive.

[Tom Halsey]

Well, maybe he has improved?

Just a suggestion.

[Armadillo]

If thy've never tried butcher in OD then they might as well, what is to stop him playing really well

[Langeveldt]

Amazing.. I was just about to post a thread reguarding Butch not being in the ODI side


Anyway.. for the first time in his int career, I think Trescothick doesnt warrant selection any more...

I would like to see Butcher replace him at the top of the ODI order...

As for Vaughan, well they cant ditch him from ODI's if he is captain... And im not sure if there is a viable alternative with proven class...

None of this will happen while Fletcher is at the helm of English cricket IMO.........

[marc71178]

Originally posted by Langeveldt
Anyway.. for the first time in his int career, I think Trescothick doesnt warrant selection any more...

Is this the Trescothick that is 9 in the ODI ratings for PwC?

He's had a few low scores, but also 5 times past 50 in his last 13 innings...

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by Richard
Strauss has never been much of a one-day player either.
His 2003 wasn't too bad, but the time before that wasn't too impressive.

Yes, but he has similar stats to Bucther (averagewise anyway) and if you're going to go for a player averaging in the high 20's, you might as well expose a player who has a shot at playing until well past the next WC.

[Langeveldt]

Originally posted by marc71178
Is this the Trescothick that is 9 in the ODI ratings for PwC?

He's had a few low scores, but also 5 times past 50 in his last 13 innings...

Didnt realize he was so high up!

His early form in the WI, one day or not is really worrying... and I dont think he has the technique to stay at nine for much longer...

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Hmmm... Chris Gayle doesn't have the greatest technique, but he continues to score impressively. I think that it's largely due to his temperament and new-found maturity.

In the last year or two he has been far more selective outside offstump and more willing to exercise the leave-alone. As such he has reaped the benefits of flying up the ODI rankings.

I haven't seen Trescothick bat in a while, but from what I've heard his lack of foot movement is really getting to be troublesome. Gayle is still pretty leadfooted but, as stated above, his shot selection has helped diminish the exposing of this flaw. When Trescothick debuted I distinctly remember that he had rather superb judgement on and outside offstump. It frustrated the hell out of the West Indian bowlers. Has he given this up or is it still part of his game?

This is not an analysis as much as it is a general comment.