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Thread: So, Bradman's Invincibles or Waugh's unbeaten team of the early 00s?

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    So, Bradman's Invincibles or Waugh's unbeaten team of the early 00s?

    Waugh's team needs a better nickname I agree.


    Widely considered 2 of the 3 strongest XIs possible ever(alongside a Windies team from the 80s), who was stronger out of these 2?


    Does Bradman sway it enough in their favour? Or does the lack of a spinner the calibre of Warne hurt them?


    I know these exact XI never took the park for the invincible, but here's the best they could muster in that series based on name value


    Barnes
    Morris
    Bradman
    Harvey
    Hassett
    Brown
    Miller
    Tallon
    Lindwall
    Bill Johnson
    Toshack


    All bowlers averaged under 25 with the ball and all batsman over 45, with the exception of Miller and of course Tallon.




    Compare this to Australia's XI under Waugh, which at peak form could conjure up this


    Hayden
    Slater
    Langer
    M Waugh
    S Waugh
    Ponting
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lee
    Gillespie
    McGrath


    Going on eventual reputations, Martyn would probably deserve a spot in here over M Waugh, but oh well.


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    There is not a time or an alternative reality where Martyn gets in ahead of M Waugh.

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    Depends whose playing conditions apply - Bradman's lot had a new ball every 55 overs, so they didn't need a spinner
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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    There is not a time or an alternative reality where Martyn gets in ahead of M Waugh.

    I expected that comment to draw criticism.. I stand by it though. Big fan of Martyn
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    Fair enough. I loved M Waugh. Would buy a DVD compilation of him batting.

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    Martyn ahead of M Waugh IMO

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    Not sure. Wasn't Bradman a jerk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    Martyn ahead of M Waugh IMO
    Nup. Mark Waugh was better. Better batsman, better bowler, and possibly the best all round/slip fielder of the last few decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post


    Barnes
    Morris
    Bradman
    Harvey
    Hassett
    Brown
    Miller
    Tallon
    Lindwall
    Bill Johnson
    Toshack
    Miller bats at 5. If you're comparing teams you have to compare what they put on the field.

    Barnes
    Morris
    Bradman
    Hassett
    Miller
    Harvey/Brown
    IWG.Johnson/Loxton
    Lindwall
    Tallon
    WA.Johnston
    Toshack

    They played a combo of 5 bowlers thru the whole series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hill View Post
    Miller bats at 5. If you're comparing teams you have to compare what they put on the field.

    Barnes
    Morris
    Bradman
    Hassett
    Miller
    Harvey/Brown
    IWG.Johnson/Loxton
    Lindwall
    Tallon
    WA.Johnston
    Toshack

    They played a combo of 5 bowlers thru the whole series.
    Johnson/Loxton is a bit misleading since one was an off-spinner who could bat a bit and the other was a batsman who could bowl decent fast-medium (8 wickets in 12 Tests); plus they both played at Manchester and Leeds.

    The Aussie changes in full: Brown was dropped after the 2nd Test and replaced for the last 3 by Loxton; Harvey replaced Barnes (injured) in the 4th Test and they both played in the 5th Test with Toshack omitted; Ring replaced Johnson in the 5th Test. (Also, Tallon was injured for the 4th Test and replaced by Saggers.)

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    Provided that the bats and equipment are the same for both sides then I can't see Waugh's team beating Bradman's team.

    While Warne was a novelty during the 90s his impact against 1948 batsman would be minimal because they would encounter quality leg spinners all the time in Shield Cricket.

    As classy as McGrath and Gillespie were they can be played successfully with a good straight technique and hold none of terrors found in a quartet consisting of Holding, Roberts, Garner, and Marshall. Brett Lee would be carted all over the park.

    On the other hand, Hayden wouldn't last 30 minutes against Toshak who would simply take him apart. Slater had real problems against the swinging ball. He would not fair well against Lindwall and Johnston.

    Langer, Waugh, Waugh, Ponting and Gilchrist is very strong. But it really isn't much better than the opposing middle-order. It would be interesting to see Ponting and Gilchrist take on Lindwall and Miller, but I think that they would end up having problems against the inevitable bouncers. It's all very well hooking and ducking the likes of Gough. But Lindwall wasn't nicknamed "Killer" for nothing, and Miller would be more unpredictable than any bowler they would have encountered before.

    3-2 to Bradman's side as Bradman was every bit as ruthless as Waugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hill View Post
    Miller bats at 5. If you're comparing teams you have to compare what they put on the field.

    Barnes
    Morris
    Bradman
    Hassett
    Miller
    Harvey/Brown
    IWG.Johnson/Loxton
    Lindwall
    Tallon
    WA.Johnston
    Toshack

    They played a combo of 5 bowlers thru the whole series.


    yeah I know he does, but I quite like the idea of that top 7. Bradman/Hassett/Harvey/Brown and Miller from 3-7 is ****ing lethal, not to mention the two openers who are definitely in the top 10 Australia has ever produced. Statistically speaking it's an insane batting lineup

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