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Virat Kohli Replaced Aaron Finch

wtachetna

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Aaron Finch used to be my favorite batsman. But recently after Virat Kohli displaces him as No.1 batsman in T20 internationals, I began to doubt my choice. I like Virat a lot now. Please comment your views on his performance. Check out this article on which Virat explains how he chased 39 in last 3 overs.
 

wtachetna

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Thank you for liking my topic of the thread. :) I love sports, especially cricket and soccer. Do you follow any website to keep in touch with sports news? I follow SportBulletins.com
 

dontcloseyoureyes

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I don't think you should pick and choose your favourite sportsmen and teams by whether they're the best or not. Love who you love, don't be a bandwagoner.
 

Smudge

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Thank you for liking my topic of the thread. :) I love sports, especially cricket and soccer. Do you follow any website to keep in touch with sports news? I follow SportBulletins.com

Wow - two mentions of a sports news site in two posts. I wonder what your motive is . . .
 

91Jmay

International Coach
Imagine someone actually looking at Aaron Finch bat and deciding he was your favourite batsmen. I'm not saying he isn't a very effective T20 bat or anything, but actually enjoying that style.
 

TheJediBrah

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points for at least an attempt at subtlety though

Imagine someone actually looking at Aaron Finch bat and deciding he was your favourite batsmen. I'm not saying he isn't a very effective T20 bat or anything, but actually enjoying that style.
I find it hilarious that he was the no.1 ranked batsman in the world yet couldn't even get into his National team

T20I rankings are pointless when some teams play 3-4 games a year
 
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91Jmay

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That was a ridiculous move as he was clearly better than most of your top order. Australia's biggest mistake was picking Smith has captain. Was poor in the field with his decision making and isn't good enough as a bat.
 

TheJediBrah

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That was a ridiculous move as he was clearly better than most of your top order. Australia's biggest mistake was picking Smith has captain. Was poor in the field with his decision making and isn't good enough as a bat.
No he really wasn't. Khawaja, Watson, Warner & Smith were all rightfully ahead of him at that time.

He should have been in the team regardless though, Australia didn't need as many bowling options as they had.

Finch is one of those guys who's chronically overrated by overseas fans.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
Smith is nowhere near as good as Finch as a T20 bat. Shouldn't have been in the squad let alone in the team

Khawaja
Finch
Warner
Lynn
Maxwell
Watson
Nevil
Faulkner
Hastings
Zampa
Hazelwood

Then when Starc is fit you get rid of spud Hazelwood and you have a qualityT20 side.
 

TheJediBrah

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Smith is nowhere near as good as Finch as a T20 bat. Shouldn't have been in the squad let alone in the team

Khawaja
Finch
Warner
Lynn
Maxwell
Watson
Nevil
Faulkner
Hastings
Zampa
Hazelwood

Then when Starc is fit you get rid of spud Hazelwood and you have a qualityT20 side.
good example of Smith being chronically underrated by overseas fans
 

TheJediBrah

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Smith is a great test player, very good ODI player and average T20 player.
Can forgive you for thinking that, completely wrong though

Since he came back into the Aus team as a specialist batsman he's averaged ~55 in ODIs, and his game is ideally suited to ODIs more so than Tests even. He's just been so freakishly good in general that he tends to only get out when having to slog and he's a very unselfish cricketer, often throwing his wicket away in ODIs/Test declaration scenarios even when not really necessarily.

And he's hardly even played a T20I since he became good, let lone had any routine or structure

The only guys that even come close to Smith as a limited-overs bat are Kohli and de Villiers
 

91Jmay

International Coach
He could well end up a great ODI player, but jury still out at the moment before moving him up in that category.

That is a joke comment in T20s. He has a very ordinary record in them.

There are a heap of better T20 batsmen;

Guptil, Root, Warner, Finch, Buttler, Du Plessis, Gayle, Mathews, De Kock

Even guys like Hales, Williamson, Maxwell, Watson have far more pedigree than him as well.

Your whole condescending shtick had more going for it prior to Smith being so bad as a captain and ordinary as a batsmen during the T20 WC. Looks even more silly now. You still claiming he is a top 5 T20 batsmen in the world? :laugh:
 

TheJediBrah

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He could well end up a great ODI player, but jury still out at the moment before moving him up in that category.

That is a joke comment in T20s. He has a very ordinary record in them.

There are a heap of better T20 batsmen;

Guptil, Root, Warner, Finch, Buttler, Du Plessis, Gayle, Mathews, De Kock

Even guys like Hales, Williamson, Maxwell, Watson have far more pedigree than him as well.

Your whole condescending shtick had more going for it prior to Smith being so bad as a captain and ordinary as a batsmen during the T20 WC. Looks even more silly now. You still claiming he is a top 5 T20 batsmen in the world?
:laugh:
ugh come on you're not serious

shouldn't need repeating but:
- he's literally played less than 10 games since becoming a specialist batsman
- his figures are as good as most others in that time despite having no consistency
- you can't judge a player on T20I performances when they literally play 1 or 2 games here and there

Smith is probably the best T20 batsman in Aus, and his game/the way he plays is ideally suited to ODI cricket, far more so than Tests.

You're right about a couple of things though. If he can learn to put away the "random slog and get out" shot that he so often seems to play he could possibly become the best ODI batsman the world.

And his captaincy in the T20 WC, while not horrible (he's no Alistair Cook), had some bizarre moments ie. not bowling Zampa much. That was weird af.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
So you are still blinded by the delusion (that seems to be infecting the Aus selectors as well) that a good player in other formats is going to be a good T20 player. That isn't the case, and has proven so many times over.

Smith does need to play more T20i cricket, but his broad T20 record is average (IPL, Big Bash) and Joe Root for e.g has the same excuses of barely playing any T20i cricket and yet has a much better record. At some point you need to stop lying to yourself and making excuses, and the bloke just needs to perform which he hasn't.
 

Daemon

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You two should have an avatar bet on how Smith goes in T20s for the next couple years.
 

Burner

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I believe that Smith definitely has it in him to be a good t20 player as well. Top 5? I don't think so. He's figures are not good, nor are they similar to guys who's played as many games like him, they are atrocious. The only other batsman who has similar figures is one AB De Villiers but that's because AB has been just as crap as Smith has been if not even worse.

Smith is not the best t20 batsmen in Aus. Finch is. You can talk all you want about talent and whatnot but one thing guys like Finch have over him is that they've delivered.
 

TheJediBrah

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I believe that Smith definitely has it in him to be a good t20 player as well. Top 5? I don't think so. He's figures are not good, nor are they similar to guys who's played as many games like him, they are atrocious. The only other batsman who has similar figures is one AB De Villiers but that's because AB has been just as crap as Smith has been if not even worse.

Smith is not the best t20 batsmen in Aus. Finch is. You can talk all you want about talent and whatnot but one thing guys like Finch have over him is that they've delivered.
Batting average of 30 in T20Is is not atrocious
So you are still blinded by the delusion (that seems to be infecting the Aus selectors as well) that a good player in other formats is going to be a good T20 player. That isn't the case, and has proven so many times over.

Smith does need to play more T20i cricket, but his broad T20 record is average (IPL, Big Bash) and Joe Root for e.g has the same excuses of barely playing any T20i cricket and yet has a much better record. At some point you need to stop lying to yourself and making excuses, and the bloke just needs to perform which he hasn't.
lol he hasn't even played 10 games

no point repeating myself for the 3rd and 4th time since you are clearly not open for discussion
 

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