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    Team full of batsmen or team full of bowlers? Which is stronger on paper?

    Just using an example of the best bats ever verus the best bowlers ever

    Batsman:

    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Bradman
    Sachin
    Sobers
    Viv
    Lara
    Hammond
    Grace
    S Waugh
    Sanga+


    Made sure to include a few blokes who could bowl a bit



    Bowlers:

    Imran
    Hadlee
    Jack Russell +
    Marshall
    Warne
    Wasim
    O'Reilly
    Barnes
    Murali
    Ambrose
    McGrath


    made sure to include a bloke who could keep and wouldn't add that much with the bat


    Who wins this match?
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    More interesting question occurs to me, who is the best ever bowler that could keep to a decent level? Any of the greats?
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    Boucher had a test bowling average of 6
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    Wade is a decent bowler but I suppose he fails the being decent at keepig criteria?

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    I'm gonna answer my own question and say the batting team wins comfortably here

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    Tim Zoehrer was a genuinely first-class standard leg-spinner
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    Batting team always wins these contests. With that many batsman they should score 400 every inning and the bowlers will get out to people bowling Michael Hussey or Jonathan Trott style medium pace let alone sobers and Hammond

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Batting team always wins these contests. With that many batsman they should score 400 every inning and the bowlers will get out to people bowling Michael Hussey or Jonathan Trott style medium pace let alone sobers and Hammond
    But the team of bowlers has genuine batting in there - Imran, Hadlee, Warne, Wasim.

    Probably the issue being you've got equally genuine bowling in the batting side with Sobers and Grace and a lesser extent Richards and Waugh.

    Of course, if Tendulkar was dropped for Kallis, then this'd be a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Batting team always wins these contests. With that many batsman they should score 400 every inning and the bowlers will get out to people bowling Michael Hussey or Jonathan Trott style medium pace let alone sobers and Hammond
    Been meaning to ask if there is any reason you always use 'inning' as opposed 'innings'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Been meaning to ask if there is any reason you always use 'inning' as opposed 'innings'?
    in America "inning" is the singular of innings

    guess they're largely interchangeable

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    It should always be "innings", never "inning". It's a pet hate of mine, many Indians also make this mistake.
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    The batting side should be the stronger for the reason that each one of them adds something to the team, whereas there is no real reason to have more than 5 bowlers because each subsequent bowler just takes up overs that a frontliner could have had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    It should always be "innings", never "inning". It's a pet hate of mine, many Indians also make this mistake.
    IMO the team should have an innings, but a batsman should have an inning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    But the team of bowlers has genuine batting in there - Imran, Hadlee, Warne, Wasim.

    Probably the issue being you've got equally genuine bowling in the batting side with Sobers and Grace and a lesser extent Richards and Waugh.

    Of course, if Tendulkar was dropped for Kallis, then this'd be a no-brainer.
    Those four names you put in your first sentence are probably as good as an average Plunket Sheild batsman like Kitchen* for example. Given people like Anaru get out all the time to rank medium pacers like Ellis and Grobelaar - there is no question in my mind that even a bowler like Mike Hussey would be a handful. And then you look at the batting side and realise you have Hammond in it to bowl first change and you are away laughing.

    The overall inference I wanted to make is forget about the names and great players and the ATG line ups. If I divided two club sides in my old grade and put all the batsman in one team and all the bowlers in the other team then the batsman would carve up. Primarily because the batsman would have some presentable bowlers out of eleven of them, and they would scythe through the bowlers when they batted. Bowlers are not very good at batting, while on the whole batsman can be mediocre bowlers more often than not.

    It is easy to be a mediocre bowler but hard to be an average batsman.

    I will also add that it is very difficult to be a good bowler, and equally hard to be good batsman.

    Bowling has an easier learning curve you just have to master one action. Batting requires learning many many shots.


    *Don't over analyse my Kitchen example - there is actually a wide discrepancy in the 4 all rounders you named with their appreciation for batting so it is hard to pick one batsman to approximate all of them. Nonetheless I reckon Kitchen would average high twenties in tests which is about what those folk did apart from Imran.
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