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    Indian team for Pakistan ODI series

    At 7:30 p.m. local time, BCCI secretary S.K. Nair announced the Indian team for Pakistan ODI series, as follows-

    BATSMEN:
    Saurav (c)
    Sachin
    Laxman
    Dravid (wk? I hope not!)
    Yuvraj
    Badani
    Kaif

    BATTING ALL-ROUNDER:
    Sehwag

    Wicketkeeper:
    Parthiv

    BOWLING ALL-ROUNDER:
    Ramesh Powar

    BOWLERS:
    Zaheer
    Nehra (subject to fitness, unlikely)
    Karthik
    Irfan Pathan
    Balaji
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    An update- Kapil Dev is appointed as a bowling coach. Not a bad idea, to pass on some knowledge and experience, since he is one of India's better fast bowlers, and possibly the only good fast bowler they've ever had.

    Nehra has to prove his fitness in a Duleep trophy match. Hopefully he'd keep up his fitness throughout the tour. He also has to improve on his batting and fielding. Still, I'd choose Amit Bhandari over Nehra for the time being. Why Zaheer, not yet 100% fit, is rushed in, I cannot understand. He is a RUBBISH bowler when not fit, as shown by the Mohali Test v/s NZ, the ODI series at home, then the Melbourne Test. Nobody should be carrying any injury. Everyone should contribute on the field, and between wickets, including Nehra and ESPECIALLY Ganguly.

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    good move bringing powar in. he can bat a bit, so maybe this means parthiv can keep (shudder).

    Spin at both ends in an ODI *rubs hands with glee*
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    IMO Not having Kumble and Agarkar will really cost India
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    Not as much as Kumble. They can use them more in the Tests, and Agarkar's not that great a bowler, he just has one good match in every series, which is not even all that great.

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    Disappointing that Nayan Mongia is not picked, and Nehra is brought back, and as many as 8 batsmen are in the team, when the need of the hour is to take wickets. Well, the selectors did at least one thing right- Ramesh Powar makes an entry.

    Spin at both ends in an ODI
    Why not? Indian seamers have no pace, power or penetration, nor are they consistent or accurate, while there are several good spinners in India. Karthik will have a MUCH better series here, and so will Powar. I am disappointed that they didn't pick Sharandeep or Mishra in place of Nehra- at least these two are useful even without the ball in hand.

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    Originally posted by Arjun
    Why not? Indian seamers have no pace, power or penetration, nor are they consistent or accurate, while there are several good spinners in India. Karthik will have a MUCH better series here, and so will Powar. [/B]
    Yup, that's exactly what I meant. As far as I'm concerned, good spin at both ends is one of the greatest sights in cricket. The 'good' part is moot, but I expect a lot from these two, and I hope they won't disappoint. Especially in the predictable, batsman-dominated, downright boring world of One-Day cricket. I want to see flight, and drift, and fizz off the pitch, maybe a short leg for Kartik and a silly point for Powar's doosra. I want to see the faces of batsmen after they have had their mighty hoiks, connecting only with the unluckiest of molecules in the air.

    Case in point -- I am a huge Tendulkar fan, but seeing the way he got out against Grant Flower in the world cup brought a smile to my face, and I think almost to his. He played forward to a ball pitching on leg, expecting a straightish delivery, only to discover that Flower's grenade bit, turned, bounced and took the top of off stump. Wow.

    And I expect this not just of the Indian spinners, I would really, really like Saqlain back at his best. I love the little pause he has at the top of his action, because you know at that moment that the batsman and the wk, and a few people in the audience are wondering if this is the one that turns the other way.

    Anyway, enough ranting. I'm really looking forward to this series.

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    Yup, that's exactly what I meant. As far as I'm concerned, good spin at both ends is one of the greatest sights in cricket. The 'good' part is moot, but I expect a lot from these two, and I hope they won't disappoint. Especially in the predictable, batsman-dominated, downright boring world of One-Day cricket. I want to see flight, and drift, and fizz off the pitch, maybe a short leg for Kartik and a silly point for Powar's doosra. I want to see the faces of batsmen after they have had their mighty hoiks, connecting only with the unluckiest of molecules in the air.
    Not somuch when Ganguly is the captain. He is rather anti-spinner and relies more on pace. If Dravid was the captain, he would use his spinners a lot more intelligently, as in the TVS Cup. I would like to see attacking fields set, for Karthik and Powar to attack. Karthik tries to attack too much, so a captain should understand his style of bowling better and allow him to set his own field. Even a Martin Crowe-ish move of sending in a spinner to open the bowling will be a good idea, since it takes the pace off the ball, making it difficult to hit the ball in the opening overs. Worth a try for a few overs.

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    Come on, Sehway is no way a Batting Allrounder.

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    Doesn't matter. He should be used as one. He's good enough to bowl the full ten overs in ODI's, and at least 25-40 overs in Tests. I would even play Karthik, Zaheer and Irfan as all-rounders in my plan, since they're not great specialist bowlers. Why Sehwag is seldom used is beyond belief, since he is quite a good bowler for a batsman.

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    Originally posted by Arjun
    I would even play Karthik, Zaheer and Irfan as all-rounders
    What on Earth is your definitions of All Rounder?
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    An all-rounder can bat as well as bowl. They can be classified so-

    • Batting All-rounder- This player is a top-6 quality batsman, but can also provide support to the bowlers, even if he's not that great. Players like Kallis and Razzaq boost the batting and also help the bowlers.

      Bowling All-rounder-This player is a bowler of strike bowler quality, one who can take the bulk of 20 wickets, but can provide good support in the lower order, with a few 50's or even the odd hundred. Players like Pollock, Wasim Akram, and Cairns are very vital in a team.

      Bits-and-Pieces Player-Can bat and bowl a bit, but not enough to make it to the team on either skill alone. The likes of Flintoff, Adam Hollioake, Agarkar, Bangar, Watson and David Bernard don't find a place in their teams, though Agarkar will fit in, because of the sorry state of Indian pace bowling.

      Wicketkeeper batsmen-These are eiher top-6 batsmen who can keep very well, like Gilchrist, or quality wicketkeepers who can get a few runs lower down the order, like Rashid Latif. Parthiv Patel is neither, while Dravid is a good batsman but a horrible wicketkeeper.

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    in last few matches in vb series pathan,agarkar,Nehra,kartik showed they can bat a bit.


    why salvi and munaf dint get picked? i would have like them to be in team(ateleast one of them in test) and pathan,kartik,powar to be allrounders.

    if indian tail can bat a bit india shoudld stop picking 7 batsmen for game.also why no gavaskar ,he showed he could bat on austrlia and did some bowling and was good in field, every time i have seen kaif play he has failed.
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    They keep persisting with Nehra, I reckon one more bad series from him and he should be replaced. Good to see Kaif back in the side, he has potential that has yet to be untapped and adds to Yuvraj in the field. Both of them work brillaintly in the field, that can only help the team.

    I think India can afford to go in with a less attacking bowling line up for the ODIs and let their bowlers rest and actually get fit. Zaheer, Agarkar and Kumble will be needed for the test series, and I think Zaheer should have more time to get over his injury completely. I really have no complaints with that team except for Nehra and possibly Zaheer because I don't want to see the same thing that happened in Melbourne. We lost him for the 4th test (didn't matter in the end) and the whole VB series. Zaheer is a major part of India's bowling line up and should not come back till fit.

    From that team my ideal 11 would be:

    Sehwag
    Sachin
    Laxman
    Saurav (c)
    Dravid
    Yuvraj
    Kaif/Badani/Patel
    Zaheer (If fit, if he's chosen then I'm guessing he is)
    Irfan Pathan
    Karthik
    Balaji

    Depending on form but my priority is Kaif as I believe Sehwag and Ganguly can make up the extra 10 overs instead of Badani. If Patel is keeping well then I'd play him to take pressure off Dravid as I do not like him keeping. It all depends on how things are going but that No. 7 spot is really up for grabs. Nehra has to replace Zaheer if he's not fit I guess *shudders*
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    Originally posted by Arjun
    An all-rounder can bat as well as bowl.
    So how come you put those 3 in then?!

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