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Adam Voges average watch

Victor Ian

International Coach
Just to prove he does not score easy runs, Vogues has just come in for some downhill skiing, with over 300 on the board, and fallen over! :blink:

He has been found out in New Zealand - Avg 97.3
 
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TheJediBrah

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Just to prove he does not score easy runs, Vogues has just come in for some downhill skiing, with over 300 on the board, and fallen over! :blink:

He has been found out in New Zealand - Avg 97.3
yeah player like Voges really performs when the pressure is on, when he is needed. Situations like this where Aus is already on top he'll just be you're run of the mill 60-averaging pleb.
 

Victor Ian

International Coach
Terrible! I didn't quite mind the article....until the end. Somehow after talking about how he has been mesmerized by certain numbers he concludes the latest number is not worthy, with pitiful reasoning. Did he near the end of a word limit and quickly wrap it up? Was his dinner being served?

An interesting point, before the article killed itself, was the one where Vogues legacy may be in destroying the "Bradman is 66% better than the next best peer and therefore greatest sportsman ever" line of reasoning.

I am loving this Vogues roller coaster. I hope he shuts everyone up, bats into 2017 and maintains his average.
 

Jord

U19 Vice-Captain
Voges only needs a bad test series to bring his average back down to earth, due to the number of not outs he's had. Say he averaged 20 against the South Africans later this year and had six dismissals at that average, he'd be down to 72.
 

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
Voges only needs a bad test series to bring his average back down to earth, due to the number of not outs he's had. Say he averaged 20 against the South Africans later this year and had six dismissals at that average, he'd be down to 72.
Your idea of his average being brought "back down to earth" certainly differs to mine.
 

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
Hussey spent the better part of his first set of tests averaging 80 didn't he?
Yes he did, but after a career of 70 odd tests his average was brought down to low 50's..........that is what I call being brought back to earth, or back to the pack if you like.

Your talking about Vogues averaging 70's and trying to say the same thing.......it just doesn't work IMO. It still sits him head and shoulders above all bar the Don statistically speaking.
 

Jord

U19 Vice-Captain
Yes he did, but after a career of 70 odd tests his average was brought down to low 50's..........that is what I call being brought back to earth, or back to the pack if you like.

Your talking about Vogues averaging 70's and trying to say the same thing.......it just doesn't work IMO. It still sits him head and shoulders above all bar the Don statistically speaking.
That's only due to the fact that over a quarter of his innings have ended in not outs so far. That's why average alone isn't a good judge. He's had an amazing start to his career and his age means he won't have the time for that start to be destroyed, but he's been given one of the easiest runs in test cricket batting behind the talent he gets to bat behind, a bit similar to Hussey admittedly in his first 20 tests.
 

Burgey

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Yeah but not getting out makes your average better. Bradman once said he saw a lot of batsmen who were better than him, but they kept getting out.

That's what an average is. Voges bats five, there's lots of opportunities to get him out. It's just no one seems to be doing it.
 

TheJediBrah

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That's only due to the fact that over a quarter of his innings have ended in not outs so far. That's why average alone isn't a good judge. He's had an amazing start to his career and his age means he won't have the time for that start to be destroyed, but he's been given one of the easiest runs in test cricket batting behind the talent he gets to bat behind, a bit similar to Hussey admittedly in his first 20 tests.
How does this bizarre logic persist

Not outs are not outs because you don't get out. It doesn't make you any less deserving of an average because you have a lot of not outs. As I said earlier, if anything it's the opposite because your innings are ending with you not out and played in and the same guys that get a lot of not outs often bat during declaration/throw wickets away time.

btw am I the only one starting to think that Jord is a Kiwiviktor multi?
 

Jord

U19 Vice-Captain
:laugh: You're suggesting that the performance of Voges should be taken for face value and ultimately that he should be considered the best since Bradman the moment his arbitrary 20th test match is completed. He's great, but the timing of his career and where he bats in the order has a big part in why he's doing something incredible.

If you take Clarke, Smith and Hussey as reference of players batting at five or six and scoring god mode recently for Australia; the only difference is Voges hasn't had a slump yet. Each of them had multi-seasons of averaging Bradmaneseque at that position behind strong Australian top orders (Clarke had Hayden, Ponting, Langer and Martyn, Smith had Warner, Clarke, Ponting and Huss, Voges has Warner, Khawaja, Smith)

It doesn't detract from how incredible he's been but helps put into perspective why this particular 90+ average shouldn't be considered to the other 90+ average in Australian cricket.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
The list just shows how overrated Bradman is, and it's futile to compare batsmen from different era. Bradman played only 52 test, around 1/3rd of present modern day greats. Common sense tells us, Bradman wouldn't have scored as many runs if he played 150 test matches. Bradman's stats are extremely inflated because of the low amount of test matches. Same for Voges.
Best comment on the article. Obviously the guy doesn't know the second World War occurred.
 

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
Yeah but not getting out makes your average better. Bradman once said he saw a lot of batsmen who were better than him, but they kept getting out.

That's what an average is. Voges bats five, there's lots of opportunities to get him out. It's just no one seems to be doing it.
Yeah and the matter that he has plundered some school boy attacks like Windies help as well.
 

TheJediBrah

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:laugh: You're suggesting that the performance of Voges should be taken for face value and ultimately that he should be considered the best since Bradman the moment his arbitrary 20th test match is completed. He's great, but the timing of his career and where he bats in the order has a big part in why he's doing something incredible.

If you take Clarke, Smith and Hussey as reference of players batting at five or six and scoring god mode recently for Australia; the only difference is Voges hasn't had a slump yet. Each of them had multi-seasons of averaging Bradmaneseque at that position behind strong Australian top orders (Clarke had Hayden, Ponting, Langer and Martyn, Smith had Warner, Clarke, Ponting and Huss, Voges has Warner, Khawaja, Smith)

It doesn't detract from how incredible he's been but helps put into perspective why this particular 90+ average shouldn't be considered to the other 90+ average in Australian cricket.
literally no one anywhere ever suggested that
 

Debris

International 12th Man
:laugh: You're suggesting that the performance of Voges should be taken for face value and ultimately that he should be considered the best since Bradman the moment his arbitrary 20th test match is completed. He's great, but the timing of his career and where he bats in the order has a big part in why he's doing something incredible.

If you take Clarke, Smith and Hussey as reference of players batting at five or six and scoring god mode recently for Australia; the only difference is Voges hasn't had a slump yet. Each of them had multi-seasons of averaging Bradmaneseque at that position behind strong Australian top orders (Clarke had Hayden, Ponting, Langer and Martyn, Smith had Warner, Clarke, Ponting and Huss, Voges has Warner, Khawaja, Smith)

It doesn't detract from how incredible he's been but helps put into perspective why this particular 90+ average shouldn't be considered to the other 90+ average in Australian cricket.
Great players like Bradman and Voges don't have slumps. This is what distinguishes them from merely competent players like Sobers and Tendulkar.
 

Victor Ian

International Coach
My bet after South Africa.... "Yeah but wait till he plays India. Then he'll be found out".

For all you slump deniers, how about remembering the Ashes? Give the poor boy some credit.
 

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