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    DRS question

    Bowler bowls to batsman, batsman plays a stroke, misses and his hit on the pad. The fielding team appeals for lbw.

    The umpire thinks that the batsman was struck inside the line but that the ball was missing the stumps, so he gives it not out.

    The fielding team review.

    Upon review, it is discovered that the ball is going on to hit the stumps fully, but that the impact of the ball on the pads was umpire's call.

    Is it out or not?

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    not out

    doesn't matter why umpire thought it was not out or out, never has

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    So even though the umpire is 100% satisfied that the ball would have hit the stumps, it's not out?


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    Don't worry. Kane Williamson doesn't get hit on the pads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiviktor81 View Post
    So even though the umpire is 100% satisfied that the ball would have hit the stumps, it's not out?
    yes

    "umpires call" means whether it's "out" or "not out". That's it. Not "hitting in line but missing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiviktor81 View Post
    So even though the umpire is 100% satisfied that the ball would have hit the stumps, it's not out?
    What an umpire thought on field should be absolutely irrelevant when you have technology that you deem is better than their adjudication. And I don't mean that in your example, I mean it in all instances.

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    i think you're misinterpreting the question guys

    pretty sure that umpire's call defaults to "all outs" or "all nots" even if they think it's somewhere dismissal-allowing and in other places working against the dismissal
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    This thread highlights an issue with DRS. The umpire should have to say why they give it not out (at club level, we all did when I played. I can remember having a laugh with a bowler when I umpired and told him "He's outside the line, sorry, and though I don't know the name of it, he was playing some sort of shot"... ) If the ump gives it not out because he thinks there was an inside edge, but is happy with everything else, then the batsman should be out if replays show no edge, even if there's an umpire's call in the mix.

    Really this just highlights my biggest bugbear with DRS... why is there an umpire's call on point of impact? We have ball-tracker, either the ball hits pad in line with the stumps or it doesn't. It isn't a matter of opinion. (I admit to not knowing the rule - is it some part of the ball in line, all the ball in line, or more than 50%? But whatever the rule is, technology can without any dispute show us this...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flametree View Post
    This thread highlights an issue with DRS. The umpire should have to say why they give it not out (at club level, we all did when I played. I can remember having a laugh with a bowler when I umpired and told him "He's outside the line, sorry, and though I don't know the name of it, he was playing some sort of shot"... ) If the ump gives it not out because he thinks there was an inside edge, but is happy with everything else, then the batsman should be out if replays show no edge, even if there's an umpire's call in the mix.

    Really this just highlights my biggest bugbear with DRS... why is there an umpire's call on point of impact? We have ball-tracker, either the ball hits pad in line with the stumps or it doesn't. It isn't a matter of opinion. (I admit to not knowing the rule - is it some part of the ball in line, all the ball in line, or more than 50%? But whatever the rule is, technology can without any dispute show us this...)
    The reason for umpires call is because ball tracking is not 100% accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flametree View Post
    This thread highlights an issue with DRS. The umpire should have to say why they give it not out (at club level, we all did when I played. I can remember having a laugh with a bowler when I umpired and told him "He's outside the line, sorry, and though I don't know the name of it, he was playing some sort of shot"... ) If the ump gives it not out because he thinks there was an inside edge, but is happy with everything else, then the batsman should be out if replays show no edge, even if there's an umpire's call in the mix.

    Really this just highlights my biggest bugbear with DRS... why is there an umpire's call on point of impact? We have ball-tracker, either the ball hits pad in line with the stumps or it doesn't. It isn't a matter of opinion. (I admit to not knowing the rule - is it some part of the ball in line, all the ball in line, or more than 50%? But whatever the rule is, technology can without any dispute show us this...)
    It is sort of a matter of opinion tbf, in particular it's a matter of which frame the guy putting the projection together decides represents the "impact" point. It's not automatically done, a person makes that decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flametree View Post
    This thread highlights an issue with DRS. The umpire should have to say why they give it not out (at club level, we all did when I played. I can remember having a laugh with a bowler when I umpired and told him "He's outside the line, sorry, and though I don't know the name of it, he was playing some sort of shot"... ) If the ump gives it not out because he thinks there was an inside edge, but is happy with everything else, then the batsman should be out if replays show no edge, even if there's an umpire's call in the mix.

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    All the umpires has to do is say "not out" and then the players should accept the umpires decision. That was one of the qualities of cricket, players accepted the umpires decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNT View Post
    The reason for umpires call is because ball tracking is not 100% accurate.
    Why does this idea still persist?

    If the 'umpire's call' region was anything to do with error in the technology it would change depending on the circumstances. It's there to keep the umpire's natural bias towards not out decisions.

    Amazing how cricket keeps shooting itself in the foot. Must have a rule that makes everybody lose faith in the system we're using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNT View Post
    The reason for umpires call is because ball tracking is not 100% accurate.
    Its more accurate then an umpire. I rather trust ball tracking tech. Personally there should be no umpires call and we should go with ball tracking.

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    Also can somebody explain to me why it being 'in-line' matters at all? Like why were reviews instantly satisfied as not out as soon as it was found they pitched outside the line in the most recent ODI between England and South Africa, even though they still might have gone onto hit the stumps.

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