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TheJediBrah

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Curmudgeon said:
This thread was almost physically painful to read through - you guys have to be really patient for it to go on for as long as it has. No one with even the slightest bit of sporting aptitude or experience would post questions as dumb as these, doesn't matter what sport you follow. If you're really having so much difficulty respecting/understanding the fundamental and finer points of Cricket, maybe try some other sport. Personally I'd recommend a sport that is significantly less complex like basketball or something. There's no point putting in so much effort to show why you think baseball is the superior sport (which is one hell of a lolworthy statement even from an objective angle) to Cricket fans on a Cricket forum just because you're too accustomed to simpler sports to understand it.
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Could have said this 20 pages ago to save us some trouble :/
 
Adders

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Curmudgeon said:
This thread was almost physically painful to read through - you guys have to be really patient for it to go on for as long as it has.
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Nah, we seem to like it when we get numpties like this turn up. Gives us a common enemy and stops us fighting amongst ourselves........apparently.
 
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Adders said:
Nah, we seem to like it when we get numpties like this turn up. Gives us a common enemy and stops us fighting amongst ourselves........apparently.
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someone's got to be the lightning rod for CW's collective angst and rage. It's only human nature.
 
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Victor Ian said:
OK. You want what makes cricket different. In cricket the day ends, you talk about all the stuff that happened and then what might still happen. You check updated stats and play around with how much a player needs to reach a new milestone. Then you go to sleep. If you wake up you read news articles or you might leave that for your morning coffee. Then you wake up and it's day two.
During a game you might have a BBQ, you might go to the beach. You'll most likely do shopping. You'll meet your mates at the bar. You might even go to the game live. You'll watch it on TV, at times, the radio at other times or follow it on the internet when out and about. You'll even play the game yourself in the backyard or the beach. And still the game goes on.

Cricket is slowly digested. Baseball doesn't have a thing on test cricket.
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This is a wonderful post and quite underestimated in terms of number of likes. Sigging this.
 
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He's an arse who is pretending to not understand cricket. He does this for fun because he's a weirdo. Why does this thread still exist

This is not how new people learn a thing. Doesn't matter what you're talking about. You want to learn about board games you sit down and play a ****en board game. You don't go onto the board game design forum and ask questions about the finer points of board game design and balance while openly wondering about how it compares to virtual board games because this is what happens in starcraft.

When was the last time you learned a new thing? Did you ask **** irrelevant question after **** irrelevant question while arguing with the answers? Or did you try to take part in watching/doing it in the same way that other people do, try to enjoy it and get into the spirit of it, having the confidence that your theoretical understanding would come through later?

The entire attitude is bull**** because it's not real. Stop engaging with it for ****'s sake.
 
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tbf I think this thread has become more of a mental exercise for those of us posting to think about how cricket differs from other sports and what makes it so appealing to us.

I'd be surprised if anyone is actually still invested in getting rodk to understand it. We're just enjoying praising the sport we all love.
 
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stephen said:
Rodk, the main difference between baseball and cricket batting and fielding strategies is that baseball is reductive while cricket is creative.
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I don't know what you mean by reductive, but creativity is not lacking in baseball. Yes, there are always 3 outs per inning, and 9 players in the lineup. The players generally take more or less the same defensive positions although cricket type shifting based on analytics increases every year. The distance between the bases and between the mound and home are constant. After that, there are no rules.

Of course there is the cat and mouse with the hitters.

But there's the chess match in the use of substitutes from deep rosters. There's run-and-hit and hit-and-run and other offensive gimmicks to force the defense out of position. There's the suicide squeeze play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Qm2paQE88

Most pro teams use 3 coaches for X and O decisions while the game is in progress.

stephen said:
What I mean by that is that in baseball everything is scripted, planned and rehearsed for. There's only so many permutations of situations a batter can face in baseball. There's only 2 strikes and 3 balls to work with. There's only left arm fast and right arm fast pitchers.
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No, not even close.

There's the pitcher creatively working the hitter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGo4wkPIszM
There's the pitcher creatively working the runners while simultaneously working the hitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U68bT2KLqRw
And there's the defense creatively working the runners. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ8zcuT5acc

And meanwhile, there's the batters and runners trying to solve all that while trying to stroke the ball often smoked at speed at the edge of human performance -- or not -- requiring reaction at the edge of human capability with a swing at the edge of human performance, sometimes to accomplish something specific but sometimes almost random to confuse the defense for this game and for the next and the one after that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Maff6WRt4

stephen said:
In cricket everything is far more fluid.
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No. Cricket is defined by how long the chase is. Baseball is not. Everything can change instantaneously, like burst dam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPzytED5Tio There's no such thing as predictive run rate to see if you will get caught.

stephen said:
As a batter batting 3 you could come in after 1 ball, 100 balls or 300 balls. You could face left or right arm pace or left or right arm spin, which can spin the ball in any one of four ways. Facing each is a different and potentially difficult proposition.
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No. No. No.

A hitter can face anyone with any assortment of pitches and without the advantage of being told what is coming, and do so in any situation, where he will see non-random but not predictable and concealed pitches coming his way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX74BRFeX3M And he will not see the same pattern again unless he proves he cannot hit the pitches at all.

They come with all kinds of mechanics and arm slots too. No formula to it.

Figuring it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-nK0fZV7-8
3/4 arm slot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KND7M5e7PGs
Sidearm pitching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJxjhrvJTRY
Submarine pitching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI-EOUNv9sI
Variable RPM pitching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtZGmMxwaw
Miscellaneous pitching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m-z7caRrFI
Just plain weird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-nK0fZV7-8

stephen said:
The pitch conditions can cause wild variations in how the ball behaves. The pitch can be fast or slow, can cause differing amounts of swing or seam movement and can offer anything from no spin to lots of spin. And these conditions can vary from hour to hour, session to session or day to day.
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Trivial compared to what baseball players deal with.

Wind problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNQG1WJOPc
Rain problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFwW97XO0j8
Altitude problems: Why do baseball pitchers specifically hate to pitch in Coors Field in Denver
Sun problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeKBK-ZUCsA 1956.jpg
Cold and snow problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL63yC64Qu4
Obnoxious fan problems at 100 feet: mlbf_36672613_th_45.jpg

Not to mention MLB teams typically travel across the continent overnight and play the next day, creating time and jet lag problems.

stephen said:
The field positions are far more varied than in baseball as well. You can't plug every gap in the field and you need to take into account how aggressively to set the field - do you go fully defensive and cut off all the runs or do you put 4 slips in place and try to get the batter edging the ball? It's massively variable. ... Yep, the decision to set a fielder 25 yards away vs 30 yards away is a major decision in baseball but that decision has largely been planned for by both teams. You can't do that in cricket because field placements are far more flexible.
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True, you cannot plug every gap and every defensive play is well drilled, rehearsed and called from the bench, but defense remains very, very complicated both in terms of getting the right position and executing defensive plays, especially in cases where there are multiple runners or where runners can advance on outs or between pitches. The game does not stop merely because there is an out or because the pitcher is contemplating his next move, and generally speaking the runners are going at full bore, not meandering safely between ends so as to avoid being the goat of the game if they are out between wickets.

Just scratching the surface of the art of defense from the technical aspect of how a fielder does his job (and he is expected to do it properly 99.5% of the time).

General fielding situations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owNg_r2oTak
Shifts against pull hitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiZZ11lieJY
Bunt defense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84KwvT22k-8
Pitcher covering first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZjihadKZL0
Executing double plays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpj6hOh6OE
Catcher pop time to prevent steals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmlsQPV4OGs
Catching flies in the outfield to prevent advance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQnJGiQXnY
Cut offs and relays from the outfield after singles with no one on base or a runner at first base only: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjYLK2BA4vU
Responsibilities of the shortstop as relay man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKiZRbIMCwU

stephen said:
I've played both and the skills used in the games are different. It's harder to hit a baseball than a cricket ball. But it's harder to construct an innings successfully in cricket than it is to get a run in baseball.
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Yes and no.
Clemens strikes out 20:
 
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3-way trade coming up soon between the Yankees-Mets-Marlins.

Noah might be a pinstripe, Realmuto, a metropolitan. Glayber and prospects to the Marlins.

What do you think of this, Rodk?
 
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