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    Simon Jones Sent Home

    Simon Jones has done enough to convince the England A management that he is fit and raring to go, and is likely to be wrapped in cotton wool and sent home - straight into the squad for the tour of West Indies.

    Rod Marsh, England A's coach, is suggesting that Jones isn't risked in any more matches in India. "Assuming the other selectors agree with me, we will leave the decision to Simon," Marsh explained. "He's not had much match practice since he came back and may want another four days on the park. It's down to him."

    England A face some gruelling travelling in the next few days, in particular an eight-hour train journey between Delhi and Amritsar. Marsh is determined to ensure that Jones's fitness is not compromised by the punishing itinerary.

    Marsh has summoned Yorkshire pace bowler Steve Kirby from Madras, where he has been in the academy there, training with Dennis Lillee at the MRF Pace Foundation. Lillee is reported to be impressed with Kirby's pace, and that is good enough for his former team-mate Marsh.
    Ok I want to see S.Jones back in the England set up but isn't this a bit early to be saying he is back to his best after just a few games and he will now tour the West Indies (Marc - Saggers was firing for 2 seasons and not given a go Jones comes back and stright in there, so unfair )

    He has played only a handfull of games from his return and impressed in a couple of those, now he is being made to stop getting match pratices and match fit by being made to rest, now I may be wrong but the guy just just spent the last 10 months resting, I can understand they want to keep him fit and not over do it but at this stage Jones needs to get as many matches under his belt if he wants to last a Test match and bowling to Lara etc.

    If Jones gets a injury in his first game for England they will claim he is unfit, if he stays in India and gets a injury they will claim he was made to do to much... So I guess it's a no win situation
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    i dont know what everyone else thinks but mahmood has been more impressive than jones. jones got 10 wickets against a TN side that wasnt very impressive and he just got hammered 3.5 overs for 34. maybe he still isnt at his best
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    give mahmood a bit more time...jones has shown he CAN play at international standard
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    He's played two Tests, I will wait and see to see if he's any good.
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    on a not entirely unrelated note -- south zone pull off an unexpected victory.

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    double ton from venugopal rao, centuries by sriram, badrinath.

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    Originally posted by Swervy
    give mahmood a bit more time...jones has shown he CAN play at international standard
    No, he's played two international games.
    He hasn't shown he can play to international standard, not by a long chalk.
    Mahmood, of course, hasn't even shown he can bowl to county standard.
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    Originally posted by tooextracool
    i dont know what everyone else thinks but mahmood has been more impressive than jones. jones got 10 wickets against a TN side that wasnt very impressive and he just got hammered 3.5 overs for 34. maybe he still isnt at his best
    And in the same games Mahmood has done...?

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    Originally posted by Richard
    No, he's played two international games.
    He hasn't shown he can play to international standard, not by a long chalk.
    Mahmood, of course, hasn't even shown he can bowl to county standard.
    by what i said I meant that he has shown that he can trouble world class players already even in his very very short test career. I know he needs to prove it over longer period, but he looks to me the kind of player who can succeed.

    Mahmood has shown he can bowl to county standard..trust me, I have seen him a bit and he is going to be a success at county level.

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    Maybe he will.
    The fact is, however, his county average shows that he has not shown the ability to bowl to county standard! Very, very rarely has a bowler bowled better than his average (however frequently many bowl worse than their average suggests).
    Jones, meanwhile, has created these chances (5 out of 6 taken) in his Test-career:
    Tendulkar - played down the wrong line of a straight ball, went to slip.
    Ratra - wafted at a very, very short, very wide delivery.
    Agarkar - played inside the line of a straight ball, edged it to slip.
    Sehwag - missed a straight delivery, played outside the line (not, as everyone was so desperate to suggest, played late).
    Laxman - drove an overpitched ball to gully in the air.
    Langer - played inside the line of a straight ball, nicked it.
    This does not suggest to me that he can trouble the best. Because to seriously trouble someone, you have to get them out. However uncomfortable they look, unless you get them out to a good ball, you've done nothing of any real use.

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    Originally posted by Richard
    Because to seriously trouble someone, you have to get them out. However uncomfortable they look, unless you get them out to a good ball, you've done nothing of any real use.
    Ridiculous. Once more the fact that cricketers are human eludes you.
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    I'm not saying I expect them to ensure he doesn't get a single wicket - that would be ridiculous.
    But if he ends-up with good figures against his name I'll know almost for certain WI have underperformed (I won't even need to recall what I've watched), or just had a strange spate of playing all the poor strokes (that they will inevitably play - because they are human) against him. Unless his bowling has changed in the last 2 months.
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    Originally posted by Richard
    I'm not saying I expect them to ensure he doesn't get a single wicket - that would be ridiculous.
    But if he ends-up with good figures against his name I'll know WI have underperformed (I won't even need to recall what I've watched), or just had a strange spate of playing all the poor strokes (that they will inevitably play - because they are human) against him.
    ...and none of it will be down to good bowling...because he has a poor domestic average....complete and utter tripe.

    I dont think I was the only one who was impressed by how he bowled vs India and breifly vs Australia...he showed signs that he has a bit about him

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    Originally posted by Richard
    But if he ends-up with good figures against his name I'll know WI have underperformed
    Because yet again, it's a player you don't like, so it's impossible for him to perform well.

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    Because yet again, it's a player you don't like, so it's impossible for him to perform well.
    Is this ridiculous repetition of this faulted theorem the only straw at which you have left to clutch?
    If Harmison bowls well, I'll give him full credit - I've never said he doesn't have potential. But he has never looked like realising it so far in his career.

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    Originally posted by Swervy
    ...and none of it will be down to good bowling...because he has a poor domestic average....complete and utter tripe.

    I dont think I was the only one who was impressed by how he bowled vs India and breifly vs Australia...he showed signs that he has a bit about him
    No, you weren't - and the lot of you were impressed by the wrong things.
    The old "bit about him" is simply something used by those who cannot think of a reason why someone they want to believe is good is so.
    So in conclusion, what was so impressive about his bowling v Ind and Aus? The fact that he "built pressure" maybe? Well, he's was supposedly doing the same for most of the last 4 innings of the South Africa series, and only in the final innings did he actually get the wickets he supposedly deserved.
    And let's wait and see what happens in WI.

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