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    Makeup of NZ Test Team

    It will be interesting won't it, with Papps in line for the opening slot and with Cairns finding bowling and batting form at just the right time. And with Astle definitely ruled out of the Test series, who will take his spot? Will it be Cairns batting at 6? Or will the selectors give Peter Fulton or another rising star a chance? Vincent (5) and Sinclair (3) should come back into considerations.

    Cairns is the main dilemma for me. He seems to be getting his pace back and has looked more dangerous at the bowling crease than Jacob Oram, who hasn't had the best or series. Cairns has never been a 6 Test batsman, he has had most of his success batting at 7. I would be tempted to play him lower down, to give the side more batting strength. He would be a good toil to a Tuffey and Mason/Butler as the change bowler.



    Brendon McCullum. His time has come.

    My XIII:
    Richardson, Papps, Fleming, Styris, Vincent/Fulton/Sinclair, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, McCullum, Vettori, Tuffey, Mason, Butler or Wilson
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    Styris is not a number 4.

    Fulton has dropped off in the last couple of weeks. I think you are McCullum on 1d form.
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    Originally posted by Craig
    Styris is not a number 4.

    Fulton has dropped off in the last couple of weeks. I think you are McCullum on 1d form.
    I have seen McCullum keep in the 4-day games, and he has the concentration needed for Tests.

    Styris not a 4? Well if Fulton or Sinclair can be played at 3 it would allow Fleming and Styris to drop back one.

    Who else would you have at 4 then?

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    Well you have a lot of allrounder, which isnt a bad thing, but it makes every lineup possible look silly. EIther too many batsmen or too many bowlers. Number 5 is going to be interesting. Sinclair, Jones, Fulton and perhaps even Marshall have claims.

    Opinion XIII

    Papps, Richardson, Fleming, Jones, Styris, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, Vettori, McCullum, Tuffey. Butler, Fulton.

    Predicted XIII

    Papps, Richardson, Fleming, Styris, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, Hart, Vettori, Tuffey, Butler Mason, Fulton.
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    Originally posted by Prince EWS
    [B]Well you have a lot of allrounder, which isnt a bad thing, but it makes every lineup possible look silly.
    What? Oram and Wilson can get into the team alone from their bowling.

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    Well I agree with you about Oram, but Ive never seen Wilson play. But I think you are missing the point. Oram would make the side on his bowling alone, but he a good bat so he bats at 6 or 7, pushing the keeper and other allrounders. If he is in bat batting form, he then bats at nine, which also looks silly. Im not saying they shouldnt be in the team, I am saying you have to think outside the box while picking a lineup with so many in it.

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    Richardson, Taylor, Fleming, Styris, Papps/Sinclair/Astle, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, Hart, Vettori, Tuffey, Mason, Butler/Bond - Aslte Bond if they are fit

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    The pitches Canterbury have played on over the last couple of weeks have been extremely poor so Fulton has suffered also.

    I don't think he'll make the test team.

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    Originally posted by Mingster
    I have seen McCullum keep in the 4-day games, and he has the concentration needed for Tests.

    Styris not a 4? Well if Fulton or Sinclair can be played at 3 it would allow Fleming and Styris to drop back one.

    Who else would you have at 4 then?
    McMillan.

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    Originally posted by Prince EWS
    Well I agree with you about Oram, but Ive never seen Wilson play. But I think you are missing the point. Oram would make the side on his bowling alone, but he a good bat so he bats at 6 or 7, pushing the keeper and other allrounders. If he is in bat batting form, he then bats at nine, which also looks silly. Im not saying they shouldnt be in the team, I am saying you have to think outside the box while picking a lineup with so many in it.
    I have no clue what you are on.

    There is nothing bad in having a long batting lineup. If Oram has to bat at 9, so be it. Bracewell wants specialists. Players who can get into the team on one facet alone.

    So you don't want Oram and Wilson (both selected on bowling) in the team, because it would mean they would have to bat at 8 and 9, and they would 'look' silly? Right...:rolleyes:

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    Originally posted by Craig
    McMillan.
    Too high up for him. He has only batted 4 times at 4. While he has scored most of his runs at 5 or 6.

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    I know McCullum can't make the team as a keeper. His keeping is way too crap. He misses plenty of chances in the ODIs, which would be unforgivable in tests. He's not a good enough batsmen either, so he's still a year or two away IMO...
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    McCullum has not dropped more than 2 chances since the World Cup.

    His batting is crap? Still better than Hart's.

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    Yeah, I have to agree with Mingster. Oram isn't looking in the best of form in this South African series so far, but we all should know what he can do. For example the Pakistan series by he was by far the best bowler for the Black Caps taking 8 wickets at an economy rate around 3.4.

    My test team : Papps, Richardson, Fleming, Styris, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, Vettori, McCullum, Tuffey, Butler/Mason.

    I am not sure whether Butler or Mason should play it would depend on how Mason goes in the game at Carisbrook. Sinclair is looking good and I think maybe he should play a couple of games against Sri Lanka A and then if he goes well he should have a go, If McMillan and Styris aren't doing well.

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    Hart is no better than McCullum.

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