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Makeup of NZ Test Team

Mingster

State Regular
It will be interesting won't it, with Papps in line for the opening slot and with Cairns finding bowling and batting form at just the right time. And with Astle definitely ruled out of the Test series, who will take his spot? Will it be Cairns batting at 6? Or will the selectors give Peter Fulton or another rising star a chance? Vincent (5) and Sinclair (3) should come back into considerations.

Cairns is the main dilemma for me. He seems to be getting his pace back and has looked more dangerous at the bowling crease than Jacob Oram, who hasn't had the best or series. Cairns has never been a 6 Test batsman, he has had most of his success batting at 7. I would be tempted to play him lower down, to give the side more batting strength. He would be a good toil to a Tuffey and Mason/Butler as the change bowler.



Brendon McCullum. His time has come.

My XIII:
Richardson, Papps, Fleming, Styris, Vincent/Fulton/Sinclair, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, McCullum, Vettori, Tuffey, Mason, Butler or Wilson
 
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Craig

World Traveller
Styris is not a number 4.

Fulton has dropped off in the last couple of weeks. I think you are McCullum on 1d form.
 

Mingster

State Regular
Craig said:
Styris is not a number 4.

Fulton has dropped off in the last couple of weeks. I think you are McCullum on 1d form.
I have seen McCullum keep in the 4-day games, and he has the concentration needed for Tests.

Styris not a 4? Well if Fulton or Sinclair can be played at 3 it would allow Fleming and Styris to drop back one.

Who else would you have at 4 then?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Well you have a lot of allrounder, which isnt a bad thing, but it makes every lineup possible look silly. EIther too many batsmen or too many bowlers. Number 5 is going to be interesting. Sinclair, Jones, Fulton and perhaps even Marshall have claims.

Opinion XIII

Papps, Richardson, Fleming, Jones, Styris, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, Vettori, McCullum, Tuffey. Butler, Fulton.

Predicted XIII

Papps, Richardson, Fleming, Styris, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, Hart, Vettori, Tuffey, Butler Mason, Fulton.
 
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Mingster

State Regular
Prince EWS said:
Well you have a lot of allrounder, which isnt a bad thing, but it makes every lineup possible look silly.


What? Oram and Wilson can get into the team alone from their bowling.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Well I agree with you about Oram, but Ive never seen Wilson play. But I think you are missing the point. Oram would make the side on his bowling alone, but he a good bat so he bats at 6 or 7, pushing the keeper and other allrounders. If he is in bat batting form, he then bats at nine, which also looks silly. Im not saying they shouldnt be in the team, I am saying you have to think outside the box while picking a lineup with so many in it.
 

cbuts

International Debutant
Richardson, Taylor, Fleming, Styris, Papps/Sinclair/Astle, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, Hart, Vettori, Tuffey, Mason, Butler/Bond - Aslte Bond if they are fit
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
The pitches Canterbury have played on over the last couple of weeks have been extremely poor so Fulton has suffered also.

I don't think he'll make the test team.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Mingster said:
I have seen McCullum keep in the 4-day games, and he has the concentration needed for Tests.

Styris not a 4? Well if Fulton or Sinclair can be played at 3 it would allow Fleming and Styris to drop back one.

Who else would you have at 4 then?
McMillan.
 

Mingster

State Regular
Prince EWS said:
Well I agree with you about Oram, but Ive never seen Wilson play. But I think you are missing the point. Oram would make the side on his bowling alone, but he a good bat so he bats at 6 or 7, pushing the keeper and other allrounders. If he is in bat batting form, he then bats at nine, which also looks silly. Im not saying they shouldnt be in the team, I am saying you have to think outside the box while picking a lineup with so many in it.
I have no clue what you are on.

There is nothing bad in having a long batting lineup. If Oram has to bat at 9, so be it. Bracewell wants specialists. Players who can get into the team on one facet alone.

So you don't want Oram and Wilson (both selected on bowling) in the team, because it would mean they would have to bat at 8 and 9, and they would 'look' silly? Right...:rolleyes:
 

nibbs

International Captain
I know McCullum can't make the team as a keeper. His keeping is way too crap. He misses plenty of chances in the ODIs, which would be unforgivable in tests. He's not a good enough batsmen either, so he's still a year or two away IMO...
 

Mingster

State Regular
McCullum has not dropped more than 2 chances since the World Cup.

His batting is crap? Still better than Hart's.
 

sportychic33

State 12th Man
Yeah, I have to agree with Mingster. Oram isn't looking in the best of form in this South African series so far, but we all should know what he can do. For example the Pakistan series by he was by far the best bowler for the Black Caps taking 8 wickets at an economy rate around 3.4.

My test team : Papps, Richardson, Fleming, Styris, McMillan, Cairns, Oram, Vettori, McCullum, Tuffey, Butler/Mason.

I am not sure whether Butler or Mason should play it would depend on how Mason goes in the game at Carisbrook. Sinclair is looking good and I think maybe he should play a couple of games against Sri Lanka A and then if he goes well he should have a go, If McMillan and Styris aren't doing well.
 

Mingster

State Regular
Correct SM.

Hart hasn't been taht impressive in the SC as well.

Have to say Hopkins looked a notch better, same as Young.
 

meatspx

U19 Cricketer
My test team:
Richardson/Papps/Fleming/Styris/McMillan/Cairns/Oram/McCullum/Vettori/Tuffey/Mason or Chris Martin.

Butler bowled well in his last test match, but I hope he isn't selected. He isn't express pace and he will waste the new ball. Chris Martin was awesome in the last series against SA.

NZ will still be playing one too many all-rounders, but Oram and an in-form Cairns cannot be dropped....players below them are not as skillful as them. If Cairns isn't improving then he should be replaced by a batsman (Sinclair, Fulton or Horne). Matt Horne has just scored over 300 runs in a domestic match btw.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Surely the selectors won't go back to Horne AGAIN....Up until yesterday Matt Horne had not scored a single half century in the State Championship, where's the consistency?

Fulton is in a bad run of form at the moment so perhaps he's currently not in the right frame of mind to be contemplating a test debut.

And Sinclair has also struggled over the last 2 weeks so really the options are not there for the selectors, they're better off keeping close to the team that played against Pakistan although i'd bring Papps in for Vincent & McCullum for Hart.
 

cbuts

International Debutant
he dropped 2 in one match against aus in in india. for 2003 he would have to ahve all 5 places if you were to make a list of the easiest catches dropped. Mccullum is ****, eh wont make the test team
 

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