England should be deducted points

Craig · 22-02-2004, 02:40 AM

Accuse me of having a rant if you want but I apologise if it sounds like a rant.

But if England refuse to tour Zimbabwe, then IMO the ICC should forget about fining the ECB, but instead deduct points of the Test table and drop them down to the spot that they would be at.

They should also give the points to Zimbabwe and award them the series if England dont tour. This applies to Australia or any country that refuses to tour Zimbabwe or any other country for policitcal reasons only, nothing to do with safety.

The amount of points deducted? I suggest 10-20 points, harsh? But it has to give them an incentivtive to tour.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt there a handshake agruement that Zimbabwe tour England last year and England do the same. And IMO to go back on an agruement is wrong and the ECB loses all creditability.

The WICB would be exempt as they may have to pull out of their tour of Australia due to schulding problems, rather then a political point of view.

Hyporcricy out of that what I wrote? Well isnt that the end product of politics? A lot of hyprocricy...

PY · 22-02-2004, 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by Craig
And IMO to go back on an agruement is wrong and the ECB loses all creditability.

They would have to have some on the first place to lose it.

Craig · 22-02-2004, 02:57 AM

So they lost it after the WC 2003 farce?

cbuts · 22-02-2004, 04:32 AM

its time people learnt life is more than just cricket. it would be a disgrace on england if thier cricket team goes. zimbabwes political situation is blatent nazism - or aparthied in reverse. if your white get the **** out or we will make u.

Jono · 22-02-2004, 05:04 AM

^ Why'd they agree to go then? If life was more than cricket (which it obviously was) why would they agree to go in the first place.

marc71178 · 22-02-2004, 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by Craig
But if England refuse to tour Zimbabwe, then IMO the ICC should forget about fining the ECB, but instead deduct points of the Test table and drop them down to the spot that they would be at.

If England don't tour, I do hope that that is what happens, because the loss of points would mean nothing.

Richard · 22-02-2004, 06:46 AM

Certainly less than the loss of money.
With the Championships in the farcial format they are, they're irrelevant.

Richard · 22-02-2004, 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by TDCC Young Guns
its time people learnt life is more than just cricket. it would be a disgrace on england if thier cricket team goes. zimbabwes political situation is blatent nazism - or aparthied in reverse. if your white get the **** out or we will make u.

This has been gone over time and again and the inescapable conclusion is that the England cricket team not touring will not make an iota of difference to the Zimbabwe situation.
Hence there is IMO no point in breaking the norm.

V Reddy · 22-02-2004, 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by Richard
This has been gone over time and again and the inescapable conclusion is that the England cricket team not touring will not make an iota of difference to the Zimbabwe situation.
Hence there is IMO no point in breaking the norm.

It does not make a difference but it is more beneficial to the Zim team. I personally agree with what England are doing but it lost credibility when it hosted Zim. They should not have promised to play in Zim. Again that Dalmiya is an even more stupid person. When India itself is not playing Pakistan , how can he go and support Zim and say sports and politics should not mix :!( . Recently Indian hockey team did not tour Malaysia b'coz it mistreated Indian or Indian Origin engineers in Malaysia and everyone supported that decision. I believe it is the same case with England-Zimbabwe. If i were an English, i only hope that the points are deducted

Arjun · 22-02-2004, 08:33 AM

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Again that Dalmiya is an even more stupid person. When India itself is not playing Pakistan , how can he go and support Zim

Did he actually support them? If anyone knows what he has actually said, I would like to read that.

In the World Cup, he said that if the English can forfeit a match there and ask for a relocation, why can't other teams, Indians included, do the same?

V Reddy · 22-02-2004, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Arjun
Did he actually support them? If anyone knows what he has actually said, I would like to read that.

In the World Cup, he said that if the English can forfeit a match there and ask for a relocation, why can't other teams, Indians included, do the same?

Well somewhere i read that that was the case happening or was i wrong:P

Tom Halsey · 22-02-2004, 10:27 AM

England have every right not to tour.

Human rights come before the game.

marc71178 · 22-02-2004, 10:47 AM

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England have every right not to tour.

Human rights come before the game.

They weren't thinking that 12 months ago when Zim came to England though.

Neil Pickup · 22-02-2004, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by marc71178
They weren't thinking that 12 months ago when Zim came to England though.

And that is what irks me.

Langeveldt · 22-02-2004, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by halsey
England have every right not to tour.

Human rights come before the game.

That wipes a hell of a lot of countries off the sporting map...

What about the Beijing Olympics in 2008?

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