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I will suggest that before the qfs, we have a wildcard round with losers having high votes in it and the top two gets into the qfs
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CW decides the greatest All-Rounder ever, 64 man knockout tournament: Voting Thread
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Dan Vettori vs Frank Foster - I read the Foster story from Fertang today, seems like a really promising and interesting player. But Vettori managed results, and had a case of being his country's best batsman and bowler for a while.
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig - Bailey doesn't seem to really stand out in one area, Greig averaged over 40 with the bat which is pretty rare amongst all-rounders.
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson - I was thinking of voting Watson as I find it hard to consider Wasim an all-rounder, but it turns he's scored more centuries than Hadlee who most people would consider one. So yeah. Plus Mister's logic here makes sense.
George Giffen vs Monty Noble - Giffen looks one of the more important cricketers of the 1800's, but his stats aren't anything special given the standards of the era. Noble while probably under-achieving with the bat at Tests is Australia's best pre-World War I cricketer IMO.
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq - Razzaq's is pretty meh on the whole, at least at Tests. Ashwin has a couple of Test centuries and is a very good bowler.
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson - neither are really anything special but Harris was a very important player in ODI's for a number of years.
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener - in ODI's Klusener has a case of being the best all-rounders of all time. Though imagine if Jessop was born today....
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner - given some of the guys that qualified for this Faulkner can feel really hard done by, both are amongst the best all-rounders of all-time.
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong - harsh on The Big Ship but Flintoff has a better WPM and could be a very good batsman. Plus his ODI stats stack up with the best.
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace - logic would say Grace, but he didn't bowl at lot at Tests so it makes me wonder whether he would've been an all-rounder in the modern era. Pollock was a very valuable and underappreciated bowling all-rounder for a long time.
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller - biggest mismatch of the first round? Miller is one of the ATG all-rounders, Bravo really was a bit of a no-rounder.
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud - who nominated Bopara
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi - tricky one. But given I voted for Akram over Watson, I should use the same logic here.
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja - yes I know he's a cheat, but he was still a gun all-rounder, something I can't say about Jadeja.
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid - AFAIK Rhodes never truly had an all-round role in the side. Reid on the other could do it all.
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee - going against my original vibe here, as Reid was to New Zealand Mankad was to India. And while Hadlee gets compared to Kapil/Imran/Botham, he wasn't in the same class of a batsman as those guys IMO.
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate - mostly because Hafeez is a chucker.
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh - mostly because of ODI form, in Tests at least when Waugh was good he wasn't much of an all-rounder.
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard - Rice was probably better, but he never played Tests whereas Goddard did and was actually rather good.
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig - Bailey doesn't seem to really stand out in one area, Greig averaged over 40 with the bat which is pretty rare amongst all-rounders.
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson - I was thinking of voting Watson as I find it hard to consider Wasim an all-rounder, but it turns he's scored more centuries than Hadlee who most people would consider one. So yeah. Plus Mister's logic here makes sense.
George Giffen vs Monty Noble - Giffen looks one of the more important cricketers of the 1800's, but his stats aren't anything special given the standards of the era. Noble while probably under-achieving with the bat at Tests is Australia's best pre-World War I cricketer IMO.
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq - Razzaq's is pretty meh on the whole, at least at Tests. Ashwin has a couple of Test centuries and is a very good bowler.
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson - neither are really anything special but Harris was a very important player in ODI's for a number of years.
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener - in ODI's Klusener has a case of being the best all-rounders of all time. Though imagine if Jessop was born today....
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner - given some of the guys that qualified for this Faulkner can feel really hard done by, both are amongst the best all-rounders of all-time.
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong - harsh on The Big Ship but Flintoff has a better WPM and could be a very good batsman. Plus his ODI stats stack up with the best.
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace - logic would say Grace, but he didn't bowl at lot at Tests so it makes me wonder whether he would've been an all-rounder in the modern era. Pollock was a very valuable and underappreciated bowling all-rounder for a long time.
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller - biggest mismatch of the first round? Miller is one of the ATG all-rounders, Bravo really was a bit of a no-rounder.
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud - who nominated Bopara
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi - tricky one. But given I voted for Akram over Watson, I should use the same logic here.
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja - yes I know he's a cheat, but he was still a gun all-rounder, something I can't say about Jadeja.
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid - AFAIK Rhodes never truly had an all-round role in the side. Reid on the other could do it all.
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee - going against my original vibe here, as Reid was to New Zealand Mankad was to India. And while Hadlee gets compared to Kapil/Imran/Botham, he wasn't in the same class of a batsman as those guys IMO.
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate - mostly because Hafeez is a chucker.
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh - mostly because of ODI form, in Tests at least when Waugh was good he wasn't much of an all-rounder.
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard - Rice was probably better, but he never played Tests whereas Goddard did and was actually rather good.
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, for the record I agree with you - I just think people might look at his tally of wickets and average and think it is enough, when combined with his batting dominance, to elevate him to that level.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Dan Vettori vs Frank Foster
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
In actuality I think Kallis shades Faulkner, but Kallis will win this comfortably by the looks of it, and if there does happen to be a wildcard round I want Faulkner to have enough votes to qualify. He deserves that.
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
In actuality I think Kallis shades Faulkner, but Kallis will win this comfortably by the looks of it, and if there does happen to be a wildcard round I want Faulkner to have enough votes to qualify. He deserves that.
mr_mister
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so that leaves us with 10 quarterfinalists????
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
Yes, or add 2 more and make the qfs as 1 out of three.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
This has descended into a bit of a farce. I'm going to abstain until the Sobers v Imran final.
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
Pollock and Faulkner shouldn't really be going out this early. The poll won't make sense at all if that happens. Since we all know the winner and runner up already.
Coronis
Cricketer Of The Year
Dan Vettori vs Frank Foster
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
How the **** is Barlow not here.
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
How the **** is Barlow not here.
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Ignore the haters man. You took the initiative to run this. You put the effort of starting up a nomms thread, trying to get people to contribute, and you're tallying all the votes and generating the pairings.
In the end we know Sobers will win. This is just a fun mental exercise to compare players whom we may never have compared before, and to learn more about cricketers we may not have noticed before.
If people have such a big problem with it they can go and run their own next time. You're doing a good job. Keep it up!
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Cricketer Of The Year
Yes Mr Mr. You are doing a great job. Just please have a wildcard round. Will give a lot of credibility to the final rounds to have stronger groups of three instead of any weak round of two getting in.
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Dan Vettori vs Frank Foster
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
Barlow should be in this and mr_mister should feel bad and should cry.
Also, MacCartney.
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
Barlow should be in this and mr_mister should feel bad and should cry.
Also, MacCartney.
mr_mister
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
thankyou *****, means a lot
there's really nothing i can do about barlow now, adding him into a triple threat next round disadvantages the 2 guys in the match i'm adding him into. the wildcard stuff sounds okay? get down to 8, add 4 lucky losers(though if they lost once, surely they can't win the whole thing unless people change their minds for the sake of it) and then split the final 12 into 4 groups of 3? it would **** with the tried and true structure however for very little gain
there's really nothing i can do about barlow now, adding him into a triple threat next round disadvantages the 2 guys in the match i'm adding him into. the wildcard stuff sounds okay? get down to 8, add 4 lucky losers(though if they lost once, surely they can't win the whole thing unless people change their minds for the sake of it) and then split the final 12 into 4 groups of 3? it would **** with the tried and true structure however for very little gain
G.I.Joe
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Dan Vettori vs Frank Foster
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble
Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner
Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley
Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi
Mushtaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja
Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter
Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard
Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan
mr_mister
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
how about this crackpot idea
*at the end of round 1, add one more group of 4 more guys(macartney, barlow, the 2 most unfortunate runner-ups in round 1)
* from 36 it'l go down to 18, then 9.
*from 9 we split it up into three triple threats, and the winner of each verses in one last triple threat in the final
This will make the competition one round shorter btw
*at the end of round 1, add one more group of 4 more guys(macartney, barlow, the 2 most unfortunate runner-ups in round 1)
* from 36 it'l go down to 18, then 9.
*from 9 we split it up into three triple threats, and the winner of each verses in one last triple threat in the final
This will make the competition one round shorter btw
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Trevor Bailey V Tony Greig was the most difficult choice for me.
Greig was more attacking and more talented with the bat than Bailey, but Bailey was the better bowler I think. For example, during the final Test against the West Indies in 1954 he took 7 for 34 as Stollmeyer's team collapsed in their first innings to be all-out for 134. Len Hutton then played his last great innings to score 205 and help win the Test by 9 wickets on the 5th day. And so the hard-fought series was drawn 2-2 on the back of one the best bowling performances of all time.
Greig was one of England's best players during the 1970s, but Bailey was pivotal to England's greatest era. First under Hutton, and then under May during the 1950s. His tenacity as a batsman, and as a first change bowler transformed a good side into a great one.
Greig was more attacking and more talented with the bat than Bailey, but Bailey was the better bowler I think. For example, during the final Test against the West Indies in 1954 he took 7 for 34 as Stollmeyer's team collapsed in their first innings to be all-out for 134. Len Hutton then played his last great innings to score 205 and help win the Test by 9 wickets on the 5th day. And so the hard-fought series was drawn 2-2 on the back of one the best bowling performances of all time.
Greig was one of England's best players during the 1970s, but Bailey was pivotal to England's greatest era. First under Hutton, and then under May during the 1950s. His tenacity as a batsman, and as a first change bowler transformed a good side into a great one.
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