CW decides the greatest All-Rounder ever, 64 man knockout tournament: Voting Thread

[mr_mister]

youre allowed to use tests as your personal criteria viriya thats okay. but people like flintoff and watson become a lot stronger candiates if we allow limited overs in the voting. and its not really that unfair to the pre ODI players i dont think, we dont knock points off Sobers because he played before ODIs were around. If anything we make assumptions that he would have faired well in them

 

[Hurricane]

This should just focus on Tests imo.. combining Tests + ODIs +T20s makes comparisons with early era players unfair/impossible.. Not to mention the fact that you have to figure out if a player was as good as another player comparing different formats.. I would vote with just Tests in mind.. We should have a different thread for ODIs.

Virya is right

Daniel Vettori was a batting all rounder largely in tests and one of the better spin bowlers going around in odis he was frequently in the top 5 ODI bowlers iirc

I guess I will do my best to factor in odis but guys like Shane Watson are really going to shine in this.

 

[mr_mister]

just weigh up all 6 formats and consider both bowling and batting for all of them if you want to go into heaps of detaiL

i just simplified it for myself, I consider Watson a great batsman and good bowler. I consider Akram a good batsman and an ATG bowler. So I went with Akram

something like this

Watson

bat - 7/10
ball - 6/10

= 13

Akram

bat - 5/10
ball 10/10

= 15


using this method forced me to go with Hadlee over Mankad as well. It might be flawed but w/e thats how i do it. if i get a tie, i take fielding into account

 

[Gnske]

Dan Vettori vs Frank Foster
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble

Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner

Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley

Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi

Mustaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja

Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter

Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard

Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan

 

[mr_mister]

Another cool fact. There are 12 countries represented in this thing! the 10 test playing nations plus Kenya and the Netherlands.

Should have thrown Kevin O'Brien in just to make it 13

 

[mr_mister]

another reason why it should favour all formats not just tests are because there are people who never played a test in here. as well as people like Rice and Grace who didn't get a chance to play many

 

[viriya]

another reason why it should favour all formats not just tests are because there are people who never played a test in here. as well as people like Rice and Grace who didn't get a chance to play many

That's an argument to consider FC + Tests.. which is understandable since they are comparable formats.

 

[mr_mister]

yeah but then you have to consider the level of competition in ODIs is more comparable to tests than FC is

 

[harsh.ag]

Dan Vettori vs Frank Foster
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble

Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner

Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley

Dwayne Bravo vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi

Mustaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja

Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham vs Ray Illingworth
Mitch Johnson vs Mike Procter

Mohammad Hafeez vs Ryan ten Doeschate
Azhar Mahmood vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs Trevor Goddard

Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan

Such a ****ty list, though I don't have a right to complain given that I didn't participate in the nomination thread.

Asif Iqbal, Eddie Barlowe, and Charlie Macartney not making it is a big pile of poo #YeahDidItAnyway.

 

[cnerd123]

Eddie Barlow! I am fairly certain I nominated him, and he got seconded/thirded/whatevs.

 

[mr_mister]

too late now

 

[Red]

i just cant see any justification for Duminy. i dont rate his bowling highly enough for this. at least bopara did the rounds at domestic level

Irani probably deserves it more than Bopara for that tho. O what a mess. lets get to round 2 already

No point squabbling about these guys because if this is legit they'll all be gone after R1 anyway. Duminy or Bopara, whatever.

 

[Red]

And Harsh is right. Charlie Macartney is a big oversight. Wildcard him into the second round.

 

[mr_mister]

yeah true but i feel jadeja at least has a remote chance against cairns

 

[mr_mister]

i cant wildcard anybody in without making a match a triple threat

 

[harsh.ag]

i cant wildcard anybody in without making a match a triple threat

Yessss

 

[Hurricane]

Dan Vettori vs Frank Foster
Trevor Bailey vs Tony Greig
Wasim Akram vs Shane Watson
George Giffen vs Monty Noble

Ravi Ashwin vs Abdul Razzaq
Chris Harris vs Neil Johnson
Gilbert Jessop vs Lance Klusener
Jacques Kallis vs Aubrey Faulkner

Andrew Flintoff vs Warwick Armstrong
Kapil Dev vs Maurice Tate
Shaun Pollock vs WG Grace
Imran Khan vs Frank Woolley

Dwayne Bravo[ vs Keith Miller
Sanath Jayasuriya vs Gubby Allen
Ravi Bopara vs Richie Benaud
Wally Hammond vs Shahid Afridi

Mustaq Mohammad vs Andrew Symonds
Chris Gayle vs Angelo Matthews
Jacob Oram vs Shakib Al-Hasan
Chris Cairns vs Ravi Jadeja

Wilfred Rhodes vs John Reid
Vinoo Mankad vs Richard Hadlee
Ian Botham
vs Mike Procter

Mohammad Hafeez vsRyan ten Doeschate
vs Garry Sobers
Alan Davidson vs Steve Waugh
Clive Rice vs]

Steve Tikolo vs Heath Streak
Jack Gregory vs Stuart Broad
Learie Constantine vs Carl Hooper
Chaminda Vaas vs Brian McMillan

Gosh its not hard to make it into the top 64 all rounders is it.

 

[harsh.ag]

Tbh it's more about ignoring some players from the 19th century. Alfred Mynn, Billy Bates, even Will Barnes a better shout than many names here.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The ****? Barlow didn't get in?! Pretty sure I nomd /seconded him too.

 

[sidecast]

Waugh then. Totally underrated as an ODI all rounder.

But that would've been compensated for by him being an over-rated odi batsman....