Equivalent batting and bowling averages

[indiaholic]

This is why I think harsh.ag's approach outlined in the post above yours looks more promising to me.

FTR I am precam.

 

[Spark]

Haha oops.

 

[weldone]

I don't like the linear scale of the equation. A batsman averaging 40 isn't twice as good as one averaging 20. He is many more times as good. Same applies for a bowler.

Noone is saying he's only twice as good. Glad that you mentioned the bolded part. That's precisely the point.

 

[weldone]

I think that those two numbers are probably close to equivalence overall, weldone. But in this current era of corporate 5-day roads, there is no ****ing way 47 = 25.

47 is Ross Taylor, 25 is Shoaib Akhtar - still not very far from equivalent imo

..though I agree with your bigger point that it's more equivalent overall, and era-adjustments must be made

Edit: Also 51 is Mathew Hayden and 23 is Shaun Pollock - again close to equivalent imo

 

[weldone]

I don't quite agree with the approach of counting no. of batsmen against no. of bowlers, mainly because there are more batsmen than bowlers to start with

 

[indiaholic]

I don't quite agree with the approach of counting no. of batsmen against no. of bowlers, mainly because there are more batsmen than bowlers to start with

I am using percentages.. So the proportion of batsmen who average 50+..

 

[weldone]

I am using percentages.. So the proportion of batsmen who average 50+..

Are you counting tailenders as batsmen while calculating the percentage? If yes, there lies the problem. See Chris Martin has to bat, but Rahul Dravid doesn't need to bowl.

 

[indiaholic]

Are you counting tailenders as batsmen while calculating the percentage? If yes, there lies the problem. See Chris Martin has to bat, but Rahul Dravid doesn't need to bowl.

Nope. Only people who have batted in the top 7.

 

[weldone]

That's fine then.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Use my non-linear scale, dicks.

 

[smash84]

47 is Ross Taylor, 25 is Shoaib Akhtar - still not very far from equivalent imo

..though I agree with your bigger point that it's more equivalent overall, and era-adjustments must be made

Edit: Also 51 is Mathew Hayden and 23 is Shaun Pollock - again close to equivalent imo

Shoaib Akhtar is a better bowler than Ross Taylor is a batsman I think and its not very close.

tbf I haven't followed too much of RT

 

[weldone]

Shoaib Akhtar is a better bowler than Ross Taylor is a batsman I think and its not very close.

tbf I haven't followed too much of RT

Nah

If you haven't followed RT then take KP. He too averages 47.

 

[indiaholic]

If we just consider the time period during which Pietersen played (Jul 2005 to Jan 2014), then my proportional comparison thingy considers 47 equivalent to a bowler who averages 27.5

 

[indiaholic]

And if we take the time duration of Akhtar's Test career (Nov 1997 to Dec 2007), then his average of 25.6 is roughly equivalent to a batsman averaging 49 during that time period.

 

[indiaholic]

All of our methods are rubbish if you want to compare x batsman to y bowler imo... For eg. Akhtar played less than half the tests that Pietersen played. Nobody is accounting for that. So shouldn't be used for player comparisons.

 

[viriya]

You are missing an important point here. The goal for batting is runs, the goal for bowling is wickets, not runs/wicket. Trying to make batting average and bowling average directly comparable ignores this fact.

What really is comparable is something like batting average with (wkts/mat)^2/(bowling average).

 

[indiaholic]

You are missing an important point here. The goal for batting is runs, the goal for bowling is wickets, not runs/wicket. Trying to make batting average and bowling average directly comparable ignores this fact.

What really is comparable is something like batting average with (wkts/mat)^2/(bowling average).

Yep taht is just one of the factors i am missing if i wanted to compare a batsman and a bowler. But if as the title thread says, the goal is to find equivalent averages, then our ideas are kinda sorta okay.

 

[weldone]

You are missing an important point here. The goal for batting is runs, the goal for bowling is wickets, not runs/wicket. Trying to make batting average and bowling average directly comparable ignores this fact.

What really is comparable is something like batting average with (wkts/mat)^2/(bowling average).

nah

 

[weldone]

Akhtar played less than half the tests that Pietersen played.

This thread is not about longevity, or career achievements. When I was comparing Pietersen with Akhtar (or Hayden with Pollock) I was not comparing their careers - I was comparing their average performance.

 

[Jono]

I can't press the back button because I clicked "open in new tab". FFS howe now what do I do?