England A in the Duleep Trophy

[Richard]

it can be dangerous to write someone off though just because they havent scored that many runs....reember Sarwan at the start of his career..he struggled to get runs, but you could see he had it in him to score runs...look at him now...i think he is a bit of a star is Sarwan

Check the start of Sarwan's Test career.
His biggest problems came in his third and fourth series, not the start.

 

[Richard]

and that test average is a very reliable measure isnt it...1 test at headingley

Then let's try to make it more reliable - by giving him more games.
Instead of picking people like Harmison who can't even exploit wickets like the equal minefield at Trent Bridge.

 

[Swervy]

Check the start of Sarwan's Test career.
His biggest problems came in his third and fourth series, not the start.

c'mon lets not get pedantic...in his first 9 or 10 tests he certainly didnt score runs in a way that it was obvious back then that he could have done....i think his second series was vs England and he only did fair..i seem to remember him getting a 50 but that was it, then he played a shocker vs Australia...but he did look good in getting those 3 runs in what was it 5 innings

 

[Swervy]

Then let's try to make it more reliable - by giving him more games.
Instead of picking people like Harmison who can't even exploit wickets like the equal minefield at Trent Bridge.

i am certainly not against giving Kabir more tests

 

[Neil Pickup]

IMO Al Sahriar is better than Saleh.

Bringing two threads together, Solanki is Sehwag without the talent, and Al Sahariar is Solanki without the talent.

Saleh has more scores over 40 (5) in six tests than Al Sahariar (4) does in 15. That suggests a small problem. Sahariar is obviously more talented, however that covers aroun 20% of the make up of an International player, tops.

 

[marc71178]

Then let's try to make it more reliable - by giving him more games.

Except Vaughan clearly doesn't rate Ali, and you want to give the captain as many players that he rates in the team.

 

[Rik]

Except Vaughan clearly doesn't rate Ali, and you want to give the captain as many players that he rates in the team.

The majority of England supporters don't seem to rate Vaughan as a captain, with good reason. Anyway, leaving out a player as talented and promising as Kabir Ali "just because he doesn't rate him" is hardly going to make them think any differently.

 

[Rik]

Pietersen used to be a useful spinner, I remember him bowling well against England when they last toured South Africa, but ever since he came over to England he's been useless. Why? I'd even rate Graeme Hick as a better spinner at the moment.

 

[marc71178]

The majority of England supporters don't seem to rate Vaughan as a captain, with good reason. Anyway, leaving out a player as talented and promising as Kabir Ali "just because he doesn't rate him" is hardly going to make them think any differently.

Who would you have as captain then?

The thing is, whilst Vaughan is captain, he won't give Ali the ball when selected, so why pick him?

 

[Rik]

Who would you have as captain then?

Butcher without question. And yes he did express interist in the job.

The thing is, whilst Vaughan is captain, he won't give Ali the ball when selected, so why pick him?

Tell him to buck up his ideas because that kind of attitude is the last thing English cricket needs, especially when our bowling is so weak. We can hardly afford to throw away our promising bowlers because our captain wants to act like a 3 year old child!

 

[Langeveldt]

Butcher without question. And yes he did express interist in the job.



Tell him to buck up his ideas because that kind of attitude is the last thing English cricket needs, especially when our bowling is so weak. We can hardly afford to throw away our promising bowlers because our captain wants to act like a 3 year old child! [/B]

But there is little point in a captain bowling a guy he has little faith... IMO the captain knows best who is likely to get him some wickets...

Its the same situation with Robbie P being "imposed" on graham smith...

 

[Rik]

But there is little point in a captain bowling a guy he has little faith... IMO the captain knows best who is likely to get him some wickets...

Its the same situation with Robbie P being "imposed" on graham smith...

What gave him that little faith? The fact that Kabir took 5 wickets on debut? Anyway what has Harmison done to get so much faith? It's plainly obvious that not only is Vaughan not the captain England needs, but also his aloofness and opinionated nature is in danger of ridding England of their talented young stars, at a time when the current crop of "young" English bowlers can't seem to perform against anyone better than Zimbabwe and Bangladesh...

 

[marc71178]

What gave him that little faith?

We can only speculate, but there must be a reason behind it, and that must have influenced the selectors.

 

[chris.hinton]

Im sure Neil doesnt have a personal vendetta against the Ali family...


And, it is right to assume, is it not.. that if a guy scores hardly anything , then he isnt overburdened with talent?

They are a talented Family and Deserve a chance.... besides Neil seems to attack Worcester Players

 

[twctopcat]

What gave him that little faith? The fact that Kabir took 5 wickets on debut? Anyway what has Harmison done to get so much faith? It's plainly obvious that not only is Vaughan not the captain England needs, but also his aloofness and opinionated nature is in danger of ridding England of their talented young stars, at a time when the current crop of "young" English bowlers can't seem to perform against anyone better than Zimbabwe and Bangladesh...

Is this attitude of Vaughan well known regarding Kabir? I'm not questioning it just never thought of Vaughan as being so aloof etc. I know there was a bit of a playboy image about Kabir but to be honest that doesn't buy with me, just hope he comes out of the academy soon and gets another chance this summer to show what he can do. As far as i can tell Lillee seems to rate him so i hope this attitude of Vaughan is a one-off.

 

[marc71178]

They are a talented Family and Deserve a chance.... besides Neil seems to attack Worcester Players

Talented family suggests that more than 1 member is showing talent...

 

[Neil Pickup]

They are a talented Family and Deserve a chance.... besides Neil seems to attack Worcester Players

OK - so far, I've claimed that:
1/ Kadeer ought to show some talent soon - fair call I reckon?
2/ Solanki is not disciplined enough for International cricket - also accurate?
3/ Kabir's not up to it - more controversial, but shared by the national selectors.

 

[Rik]

3/ Kabir's not up to it - more controversial, but shared by the national selectors.

Yes but it seems to be you are judging on one performance, in which he out-performed all the other bowlers England picked for that game. And how many times do you tell other people not to judge on one game?

 

[Richard]

But there is little point in a captain bowling a guy he has little faith... IMO the captain knows best who is likely to get him some wickets...

Very often commentators and TV obsevers (like you and me) can tell far better than a captain who is likely to get wickets.

 

[Richard]

OK - so far, I've claimed that:
1/ Kadeer ought to show some talent soon - fair call I reckon?
2/ Solanki is not disciplined enough for International cricket - also accurate?
3/ Kabir's not up to it - more controversial, but shared by the national selectors.

1, most certainly - I've said that about him and Shafayat.
2, certainly not disciplined enough for ODIs, and should never have been picked for them. Tests? Who knows. Certainly a better bet than some IMO, won't know unless he gets the chance.
3, think you and the selectors are wrong. Still think he's got plenty to learn, though.