Challenge of pakistan

harry674 · 20-02-2004, 12:35 PM

In Pak you will get a wicket only when it’s clean bowled

Ashish Shukla

Maninder Singh is one of the few Indian cricketers to have played Tests on two separate visits to Pakistan, an oddity when you consider the decades that separate any two visits by an Indian team across the border. He looks back at his two visits in the 80s — 1982-83 and 1988-89 — and has a few surprises in store.

NO CHANCE OF LBWS

I was only 17 when I was picked for my India debut in1982-83, that too in Pakistan. I picked up only three wickets but was played in five Tests and eight years later, on my second visit, did little better — only two wickets from three Tests. The wickets were placid and umpiring was the kind of stuff to turn a bowler into a philosopher.

In one of the matches, I fell to my knees after yet another appeal for leg before was turned down. Umpire Shakoor Rana egged me on ‘‘Chal, chal bowl kar. Yahan clean bowled par hi tujhe wicket milega (Get up and bowl, you will only get a wicket when it’s clean bowled).’’ The man is no longer alive and I don’t feel any bitterness — actually, I laugh when I look back at the incident.

Similarly in 1989, Javed Miandad went on the back foot to cut me, the ball came in and hit him plumb in front but the umpire was unmoved. After some time, I just became numb. I knew it was pointless even to appeal. You become resigned to your fate.

BLATANT BALL-TAMPERING

It was so blatant. Whenever the Pakistani team took the field after a break, the ball would start doing strange things. I also felt it was never the same ball used after each break. Imran Khan and Sarfraz Nawaz would come out and make the ball talk; it used to move all over the place. The ball would cut back and hit the batsman in the midriff and chest. Everyone knows GR Viswanath was once out shouldering arms to a ball.

Imran Khan was genuinely quick and the “made up” ball only made things worse for us. After a while we stopped protesting. The reverse swing made them unplayable. The thing with reverse swing is it cuts back so late that batsmen find it very difficult to adjust to the pace.

JIMMY LED THE FIGHTBACK

The obvious man was Jimmy Amarnath, who scored runs by hundreds on that tour (1982-3). I think there were three centuries by him. I realized what a big heart he had. I think he realized early that attack was the best form of defence against those bowlers. The ball would swing prodigiously but he was like a rock.

Another milestone on that tour was Ravi Shastri proving himself as an opener. Ravi was senior to me but he wasn’t bowling all that well on the tour but he’s always been able to grab at chances coming his way. So when he got the chance to open the innings, he smashed 128 runs. There were some streaky shots at the start of his innings, a few shots dangerously cleared the slip cordon but the thing is, he got a century in the end. He never looked back.Kapil paaji had become the model of consistency in line and length. He had tremendous control over his outswingers but I feel if he had acquired that reverse swing, he also woud have ended with 40-plus wickets like Imran.

THE SPIN OF THINGS

My spin partners were Dilip Doshi and Ravi Shastri. Ravi, as I said, struggled but Doshi was marvelous. I just loved watching him bowl.

He had such nagging control and had good variation. I just liked the way he approached his run-up and worked on batsmen’s minds. People were unfair when they termed him a defensive bowler.

I guess Bishan Singh Bedi was still fresh in everybody’s mind and Doshi was always drawn into a comparison with him. They were two completely different bowlers. Doshi was attacking in his own way — like Anil Kumble, squeezing the batsmen dry and then working on their frustration.

FRIENDSHIP OFF THE FIELD

I clearly remember the hospitality in Pakistan. It was outstanding. The atmosphere was just too good. We were welcomed with open hearts. I also was amazed at the understanding of the game among common people. They knew their cricket for sure. There were parties and official dinners.

But all this extended only outside the cricket field. You didn’t get any support at the ground — the conditions were rather hostile. It can also get very lonely in Pakistan.

A long tour definitely can be taxing. My advice to the Indian team is, stick closer to each other and show the same intensity they showed in Australia. If they can do that, they would have done well.

(Cricket News)

Swervy · 20-02-2004, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by harry674
I guess Bishan Singh Bedi was still fresh in everybody’s mind and Doshi was always drawn into a comparison with him. They were two completely different bowlers. Doshi was attacking in his own way — like Anil Kumble, squeezing the batsmen dry and then working on their frustration.

But as Richard says, that is impossible a bowler cannot work on a batters frustrations

harry674 · 20-02-2004, 12:57 PM

i think in comingup tour atleast indians will not have problems of LBWs coz of neutral umprises to some extent atleast i hope so.

Armadillo · 20-02-2004, 01:07 PM

You must remember the Indian bias in this account. Just because Pakistani bowlers could reverse swing the ball and Indians could not that does not mean the ball has been tampered with.

SpaceMonkey · 20-02-2004, 01:21 PM

Lets not forget the 2 indian players who will be playing in the upcoming tests who have both being done for ball tampering

marc71178 · 20-02-2004, 01:43 PM

Let us just celebrate the fact that the series is going ahead, and not sling mud from one side to the other.

Pratters · 20-02-2004, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by marc71178
Let us just celebrate the fact that the series is going ahead, and not sling mud from one side to the other.

I couldnt have said it better. I feel ashamed when fellow Indians or Pakistanis ceberate victories against each other as if wars have been won.

The series should go ahead as sending a message of peace. Who wins is immaterial for me. I wouldnt mind Pakistan winning the series. I wouldnt care too much if India won.

Peace and better relations should be the maxim and not who wins among the two sides. Cricket is just a game after all..

imranrabb · 20-02-2004, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Pratyush
I couldnt have said it better. I feel ashamed when fellow Indians or Pakistanis ceberate victories against each other as if wars have been won.

The series should go ahead as sending a message of peace. Who wins is immaterial for me. I wouldnt mind Pakistan winning the series. I wouldnt care too much if India won.

Peace and better relations should be the maxim and not who wins among the two sides. Cricket is just a game after all..

What about those people who made dvds and videos after the wc2003 game.i think if india win again they will make dvds and videos again.

Armadillo · 20-02-2004, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by imranrabb
What about those people who made dvds and videos after the wc2003 game.i think if india win again they will make dvds and videos again.

Hear hear, making videos of wc was just something to anger us Pakistanis.

Tom Halsey · 20-02-2004, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Armadillo
Hear hear, making videos of wc was just something to anger us Pakistanis.

No, everyone makes videos of their victories, it was not to anger a set of people.

Example: Man. United 6-1 Arsenal.

That was not made to anger Arsenal fans, to celebrate a great victory.

Tom Halsey · 20-02-2004, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by marc71178
Let us just celebrate the fact that the series is going ahead, and not sling mud from one side to the other.

Exactly. I have a feeling this is going to be a great series, it musn't be spoilt by bickering.

Langeveldt · 20-02-2004, 03:31 PM

Its an interesting article though, I wish there was more stuff like that on the experiences of tourers.... wherever they may be

imranrabb · 20-02-2004, 03:39 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by halsey
No, everyone makes videos of their victories, it was not to anger a set of people.

Example: Man. United 6-1 Arsenal.

That was not made to anger Arsenal fans, to celebrate a great victory. [/QUO

no one makes videos of them winning in cricket,only india.Have australia or pakistan made videos of them winning.

Pratters · 20-02-2004, 03:43 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by imranrabb

Quote:

Originally posted by halsey
No, everyone makes videos of their victories, it was not to anger a set of people.

Example: Man. United 6-1 Arsenal.

That was not made to anger Arsenal fans, to celebrate a great victory. [/QUO

no one makes videos of them winning in cricket,only india.Have australia or pakistan made videos of them winning.

The latest video package on sale in stores is the Indian series victory vs the Aussies in which Harbhajan and Laxman performed well. Now that is not because of anti australianism is it?

Its good videos are being made. WWE makes a lot of videos of their ppvs, there is a lot of nba videos made recollecting past gr8 seasons. If there is money in the game in India and there is commercialisation like this, whats wrong with it?

Salamuddin · 20-02-2004, 03:50 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by imranrabb

Quote:

Originally posted by halsey
No, everyone makes videos of their victories, it was not to anger a set of people.

Example: Man. United 6-1 Arsenal.

That was not made to anger Arsenal fans, to celebrate a great victory. [/QUO

no one makes videos of them winning in cricket,only india.Have australia or pakistan made videos of them winning.

Australia certainly have. You can get videos of past Ashes triumphs or Aussie beltings of South Africa

.

20-02-2004, 12:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
harry674 School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 145	Challenge of pakistan In Pak you will get a wicket only when it’s clean bowled Ashish Shukla Maninder Singh is one of the few Indian cricketers to have played Tests on two separate visits to Pakistan, an oddity when you consider the decades that separate any two visits by an Indian team across the border. He looks back at his two visits in the 80s — 1982-83 and 1988-89 — and has a few surprises in store. NO CHANCE OF LBWS I was only 17 when I was picked for my India debut in1982-83, that too in Pakistan. I picked up only three wickets but was played in five Tests and eight years later, on my second visit, did little better — only two wickets from three Tests. The wickets were placid and umpiring was the kind of stuff to turn a bowler into a philosopher. In one of the matches, I fell to my knees after yet another appeal for leg before was turned down. Umpire Shakoor Rana egged me on ‘‘Chal, chal bowl kar. Yahan clean bowled par hi tujhe wicket milega (Get up and bowl, you will only get a wicket when it’s clean bowled).’’ The man is no longer alive and I don’t feel any bitterness — actually, I laugh when I look back at the incident. Similarly in 1989, Javed Miandad went on the back foot to cut me, the ball came in and hit him plumb in front but the umpire was unmoved. After some time, I just became numb. I knew it was pointless even to appeal. You become resigned to your fate. BLATANT BALL-TAMPERING It was so blatant. Whenever the Pakistani team took the field after a break, the ball would start doing strange things. I also felt it was never the same ball used after each break. Imran Khan and Sarfraz Nawaz would come out and make the ball talk; it used to move all over the place. The ball would cut back and hit the batsman in the midriff and chest. Everyone knows GR Viswanath was once out shouldering arms to a ball. Imran Khan was genuinely quick and the “made up” ball only made things worse for us. After a while we stopped protesting. The reverse swing made them unplayable. The thing with reverse swing is it cuts back so late that batsmen find it very difficult to adjust to the pace. JIMMY LED THE FIGHTBACK The obvious man was Jimmy Amarnath, who scored runs by hundreds on that tour (1982-3). I think there were three centuries by him. I realized what a big heart he had. I think he realized early that attack was the best form of defence against those bowlers. The ball would swing prodigiously but he was like a rock. Another milestone on that tour was Ravi Shastri proving himself as an opener. Ravi was senior to me but he wasn’t bowling all that well on the tour but he’s always been able to grab at chances coming his way. So when he got the chance to open the innings, he smashed 128 runs. There were some streaky shots at the start of his innings, a few shots dangerously cleared the slip cordon but the thing is, he got a century in the end. He never looked back.Kapil paaji had become the model of consistency in line and length. He had tremendous control over his outswingers but I feel if he had acquired that reverse swing, he also woud have ended with 40-plus wickets like Imran. THE SPIN OF THINGS My spin partners were Dilip Doshi and Ravi Shastri. Ravi, as I said, struggled but Doshi was marvelous. I just loved watching him bowl. He had such nagging control and had good variation. I just liked the way he approached his run-up and worked on batsmen’s minds. People were unfair when they termed him a defensive bowler. I guess Bishan Singh Bedi was still fresh in everybody’s mind and Doshi was always drawn into a comparison with him. They were two completely different bowlers. Doshi was attacking in his own way — like Anil Kumble, squeezing the batsmen dry and then working on their frustration. FRIENDSHIP OFF THE FIELD I clearly remember the hospitality in Pakistan. It was outstanding. The atmosphere was just too good. We were welcomed with open hearts. I also was amazed at the understanding of the game among common people. They knew their cricket for sure. There were parties and official dinners. But all this extended only outside the cricket field. You didn’t get any support at the ground — the conditions were rather hostile. It can also get very lonely in Pakistan. A long tour definitely can be taxing. My advice to the Indian team is, stick closer to each other and show the same intensity they showed in Australia. If they can do that, they would have done well. (Cricket News) __________________ Yuvraj+Schewag future of Indian cricket Official Sponsor of AGC (Anti Ganguly Club) I TOLD U GUYS INDIA 151 ALL OUT IN BEGINING. HARRY THE NOSTRADAMUS

20-02-2004, 01:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Armadillo State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Literate Essex- yes, it does exist! Posts: 1,092	You must remember the Indian bias in this account. Just because Pakistani bowlers could reverse swing the ball and Indians could not that does not mean the ball has been tampered with. __________________ Member of LSU (bowl part time pies) RIP Fardin

20-02-2004, 01:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	Let us just celebrate the fact that the series is going ahead, and not sling mud from one side to the other. __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

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20-02-2004, 12:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
harry674 School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 145	i think in comingup tour atleast indians will not have problems of LBWs coz of neutral umprises to some extent atleast i hope so.

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SpaceMonkey International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Worcestershire, UK Posts: 2,076	Lets not forget the 2 indian players who will be playing in the upcoming tests who have both being done for ball tampering

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imranrabb U19 Debutant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uk Posts: 324	[QUOTE]Originally posted by halsey No, everyone makes videos of their victories, it was not to anger a set of people. Example: Man. United 6-1 Arsenal. That was not made to anger Arsenal fans, to celebrate a great victory. [/QUO no one makes videos of them winning in cricket,only india.Have australia or pakistan made videos of them winning.

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