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The best test batsman to average Under 61, 50, 40 and 30 IYO?

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CaptainGrumpy

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Zinzan said:
He's 24 years old. If you can't get it without requiring definitions, there's really no point tbh.
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So its ageism? Why is this relevant? Is it because he could continue playing tests and his record could fluctuate?

What if he had played 60 tests at this point and just this day had a career ending injury?

What if he played his actual 45 tests and had his career ending injury?

No one can communicate without words or expressions being defined and meaning the same to each person communicating Zinzan. Otherwise you're making noises or drawling pictures of letters past each other.
 
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Howe_zat

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Athlai said:
Personally think the best batsman to average under 20 and best bowler to average over 40 would be more interesting.
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Probably the only useful way to average over 40 as a bowler is to be a top 6 player who bowled economical off spin / mediums to give your actual attack some support. So if I had to pick a bowler with that kind of average and use him I'd have Ravi Shastri with his 150 wickets at 40 with an economy of 2.35.

Very hard to find a specialist bowler with that kind of average who you'd want in the team. We tend to be less forgiving of crap averages for bowlers. I'm guessing that's partly because not everyone in the team has to bowl, and because if a bowler is doing badly you can't attribute it to a lack of evidence. You can say someone got a pair because they got a few really good balls and so didn't get much of a chance, but you can't excuse 0/150 because they got a couple of good shots.

Best strike bowler to average 40 I can find is probably Tino Best who was at least pretty threatening on a good day
 
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Amazed but not quite surprised that somehow this has turned into a debate about Kane Williamson.
 
OverratedSanity

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Here is my attempt to turn this into a Tendulkar debate:

By the time Tendulkar had played 40-50 odd tests like Williamson has, he was already legit being talked about as being one of the best after Bradman.
 
The Battlers Prince

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OverratedSanity said:
Here is my attempt to turn this into a Tendulkar debate:

By the time Tendulkar had played 40-50 odd tests like Williamson has, he was already legit being talked about as being one of the best after Bradman.
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That was mostly because Don and Jessie had talked about him, Don never saw KW, js
 
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Howe_zat said:
Probably the only useful way to average over 40 as a bowler is to be a top 6 player who bowled economical off spin / mediums to give your actual attack some support. So if I had to pick a bowler with that kind of average and use him I'd have Ravi Shastri with his 150 wickets at 40 with an economy of 2.35.

Very hard to find a specialist bowler with that kind of average who you'd want in the team. We tend to be less forgiving of crap averages for bowlers. I'm guessing that's partly because not everyone in the team has to bowl, and because if a bowler is doing badly you can't attribute it to a lack of evidence. You can say someone got a pair because they got a few really good balls and so didn't get much of a chance, but you can't excuse 0/150 because they got a couple of good shots.

Best strike bowler to average 40 I can find is probably Tino Best who was at least pretty threatening on a good day
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Mohammad Sami and Ajit Agarkar? They were strike bowlers whenever they played.
 
Lillian Thomson

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Viv Richards
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Mike Brearley (Averaged only 22 in 39 Tests but was a fairly decent First Class batsman)
 
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CaptainGrumpy said:
But then noone would really know nor care who he was and would not be discussing him.

Plus he only averaged 30-32 overs per match more or less evenly spread over 2 innings. Hardly the greatest workload ever faced.

3 wickets per test. C'mon. He was hardly used as the leader of the attack for the majority of his career.
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You can do better than this sort of trolling mate. It's pretty basic.


Miller played in 55 tests and Aust only lost 9 of them, so whatever he did was obviously pretty good. Not sure what you mean by "leader of the attack". He took the new ball more often than not. He had a slightly better bowling average than Lindwall, and a very similar strike rate. Bradman openly acknowledged he was better used as a pace bowler in short bursts because he was lethal and very quick (like MJ is used now).

And what do you mean anyway? If he didn't average 50 with the bat we wouldn't remember him?
 
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CaptainGrumpy

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Red Hill said:
You can do better than this sort of trolling mate. It's pretty basic.


Miller played in 55 tests and Aust only lost 9 of them, so whatever he did was obviously pretty good.
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Cricket is a team game, conclusion does not follow from premises. Miller was clearly an amazing cricket. But amazing cricketers can nevertheless play in losing teams and average to poor players play in winning teams. How does Faoud Bacchus rate in your estimations?

Red Hill said:
And what do you mean anyway? If he didn't average 50 with the bat we wouldn't remember him?
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Miller's famous and rated so incredibly highly as a cricket for his amazing all round prowess.

He is far more celebrated than Denis Compton, Ernest Tyldesley, Charlie Davis, Jack Ryder, and many other batsman to average 50.
 
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