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Shane Watson or Muhammad Hafeez? All formats

Shane Watson or Muhammad Hafeez?

  • Watto

    Votes: 14 66.7%

  • The Professor

    Votes: 6 28.6%

  • Devon Smith

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Total voters
    21
weldone

weldone

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OverratedSanity said:
Kapil was a glorified slogger with the bat.
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If you know anything about 80s and early 90s Indian ODI cricket, you'd know how important his batting was to the team. He was not a slogger in the Afridi way; he was more dependable in the end overs. His strike rate is far better than other end-over hitters during his time.

And he has won many more matches with the ball than Flintoff. He's had a big contribution with bat, ball, catching and captaincy in our '83 World Cup win. Flintoff has done zilch in World Cups. His stats look good on paper, but he had a far shorter ODI career than Kapil too.
 
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Bahnz

Bahnz

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Having thought about it, Hafeez in tests pretty comfortably. Watson much the better in ODI's though.
 
cnerd123

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Ummm we all remember that Hafee chucks, right?

Take his bowling out and its a no-contest. Watto for sure. Hafeez only wins to open for me in Tests on the Subcontinent.
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

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***** said:
Ummm we all remember that Hafee chucks, right?

Take his bowling out and its a no-contest. Watto for sure. Hafeez only wins to open for me in Tests on the Subcontinent.
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To be fair, Watson isn't going to be doing much more bowling in test cricket either.
 
Cruxdude

Cruxdude

International Debutant
OverratedSanity said:
And even comparing Watson to Flintoff in tests is a bit ridiculous. Despite being a batting allrounder, Watson's batting stats are barely better than Flintoff (which is a woeful indictment on Watson's batting in all honesty), and bowling wise it's not a contest.
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Agree that Flintoff as a bowler was much better than Watson but comparing their batting stats is just not fair. Watson batted in the top order most often and Flintoff came in at number 7 or so. Surely Watson's batting numbers count for a bit more. People seem to forget that for some time Watson was actually a pretty good opener.
 
OverratedSanity

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Cruxdude said:
Agree that Flintoff as a bowler was much better than Watson but comparing their batting stats is just not fair. Watson batted in the top order most often and Flintoff came in at number 7 or so. Surely Watson's batting numbers count for a bit more. People seem to forget that for some time Watson was actually a pretty good opener.
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By batting stats I just don't mean his average. Watson's job batting high up the order as an opener and #3 is to get big scores. Yet Flintoff, batting at 6 and 7 has as many fifties and hundreds as him. It's horrible if you think about it.
 
Furball

Furball

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TheJediBrah said:
Wondering when the exaggerated Watto-hate will subside. It will still be years away IMO.

Freddie one of those players loved and thought of often beyond his actual abilities and results, Watto the opposite.

In short form, Watson is so much better than Flintoff it's not even funny. In Tests I'd give it to Flintoff just because of his singular achievements and attitude but even then it's close.
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The above isn't close to being true. Flintoff was a far better bowler, and at his peak a marginally worse batsman.

Watson certainly maintained his batting peak for longer but let's not delude ourselves.
 
TheJediBrah

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OverratedSanity said:
And even comparing Watson to Flintoff in tests is a bit ridiculous. Despite being a batting allrounder, Watson's batting stats are barely better than Flintoff (which is a woeful indictment on Watson's batting in all honesty), and bowling wise it's not a contest.
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lol wut

Flintoff's bowling stats isn't any better compared to Watsons than Watson's batting is compared to Flintoffs

Perfect example of what i'm talking about re. people's memories playing tricks on them. Flintoff was such an enigma that people will always remember him fondly and elevate his status, whereas Watson is the opposite.

Watson has been an ODI great btw. Batting average over 40 and bowling average in the 30s.

And in both forms he's generally played a lot of quality opposition, a lot of tests against South Africa, India in India, England with Broad and Anderson and not a single Test against Bangladesh or Zimbabwe. I'd bet guys like Hafeez and Oram played more than a few Tests against lesser opposition.

Watto would have played a high percentage of overseas tests as well, he missed 2 or 3 entire home seasons with injury
 
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Fuller Pilch

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TheJediBrah said:
lol wut

Flintoff's bowling stats isn't any better compared to Watsons than Watson's batting is compared to Flintoffs

Perfect example of what i'm talking about re. people's memories playing tricks on them. Flintoff was such an enigma that people will always remember him fondly and elevate his status, whereas Watson is the opposite.

Watson has been an ODI great btw. Batting average over 40 and bowling average in the 30s.

And in both forms he's generally played a lot of quality opposition, a lot of tests against South Africa, India in India, England with Broad and Anderson and not a single Test against Bangladesh or Zimbabwe. I'd bet guys like Hafeez and Oram played more than a few Tests against lesser opposition.

Watto would have played a high percentage of overseas tests as well, he missed 2 or 3 entire home seasons with injury
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Yeah Oram averaged over 60 and 50 with the bat respectively against Australia and South Africa, while averaging 20 with the ball against Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag, VVS and co. Real minnow basher.

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