Warner appointed vice-captain

[TheJammyTurtle]

Just wanted to know what were people's thoughts on it?Think it's a bold move but one that could well work.Dont think he's half the **** he was 2 years ago.

 

[Prince EWS]

Think it's a bold move but one that could well work.

I pretty much disagree with this entirely. Not so much because of any views I have of Warner, but because I just don't think it matters all the much who the VC is. Senior players beyond the captain taking on leadership roles is important in any team, but I've never really believed that officially appointing a VC really changes whether or not a player will do that much. If he's matured he'll become more of a leader whether he's VC or not.

 

[Hurricane]

I pretty much disagree with this entirely. Not so much because of any views I have of Warner, but because I just don't think it matters all the much who the VC is. Senior players beyond the captain taking on leadership roles is important in any team, but I've never really believed that officially appointing a VC really changes whether or not a player will do that much. If he's matured he'll become more of a leader whether he's VC or not.

VC often gets called upon to captain...as you well know - this is a significant appointment. I would have preferred to see a bowler get the nod, bowlers make good vice captains as they have a different perspective on issues. Vice also gets included in "decisions" from time to time.

 

[Tangles]

He's still a dick.

 

[G.I.Joe]

The VCy can sometimes be used to reign in 'expressive' players who also show cricketing promise. Makes them feel more responsible for their actions. Sort of like how Kohli had to curb himself after being appointed VC.

 

[burr]

Have we ever had an illiterate VC before? First time for everything..

 

[Jono]

I pretty much disagree with this entirely. Not so much because of any views I have of Warner, but because I just don't think it matters all the much who the VC is. Senior players beyond the captain taking on leadership roles is important in any team, but I've never really believed that officially appointing a VC really changes whether or not a player will do that much. If he's matured he'll become more of a leader whether he's VC or not.

if Smith twangs his hammy or pulls a calf the day before the first test of the summer it is a massive appointment.

 

[Hurricane]

if Smith twangs his hammy or pulls a calf the day before the first test of the summer it is a massive appointment.

Agreed. PEWS is wrong. He isn't often wrong. In this case he is.

The other issue I have with it is from an ethical perspective. It sends a very strong message about the type of team that Australia want to be. And I find that message to be surprising unless you look at it from GI Joe's perspective that this is a well thought appointment to transform the player into a more responsible one.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Agreed. PEWS is wrong. He isn't often wrong. In this case he is.

The other issue I have with it is from an ethical perspective. It sends a very strong message about the type of team that Australia want to be. And I find that message to be surprising unless you look at it from GI Joe's perspective that this is a well thought appointment to transform the player into a more responsible one.

The argument is good and works as well. Kohli needed to be thrust into responsibility to become a better and more mature cricketer, however I don't think that's the reason Australia made Warner VC. I think they made him VC for a very simple reason - they don't have anyone else and Warner is one of the very few players in the team who looks like he will play for a few years. If Rogers was 5 years younger, it would have been him, but he's not.

 

[morgieb]

Have we ever had an illiterate VC before? First time for everything..

Wasn't Healy VC for a few years?

 

[Black_Warrior]

Ponting and Warne were VCs too right ?

 

[Furball]

I don't think Ponting was. IIRC Gilchrist became Vice captain after Warne was sacked, Ponting jumped the queue when Waugh was pensioned off.

 

[Spark]

Agreed. PEWS is wrong. He isn't often wrong. In this case he is.

The other issue I have with it is from an ethical perspective. It sends a very strong message about the type of team that Australia want to be. And I find that message to be surprising unless you look at it from GI Joe's perspective that this is a well thought appointment to transform the player into a more responsible one.

Cricket is not a morality tale.

 

[burr]

The argument is good and works as well. Kohli needed to be thrust into responsibility to become a better and more mature cricketer, however I don't think that's the reason Australia made Warner VC. I think they made him VC for a very simple reason - they don't have anyone else and Warner is one of the very few players in the team who looks like he will play for a few years. If Rogers was 5 years younger, it would have been him, but he's not.

This. No one (apart from Warner) wants Warner as VC, there's just no one else. Still...if (huge if) Nevill can secure his position in the side maybe we'll never have the ignominy of Warner captaining Australia. Watson was bad enough.

 

[Hurricane]

Cricket is not a morality tale.

It would be if I were in charge. In business we take morality into things all the time. All leadership appointments take ethical considerations into account in my workplace. Cricket ideally should be no different (if I were running Cricket Australia anyway).

 

[Tangles]

If this helps him bat with more maturity when the team needs it then there's some value to it.

 

[morgieb]

I don't think Ponting was. IIRC Gilchrist became Vice captain after Warne was sacked, Ponting jumped the queue when Waugh was pensioned off.

Nah, Ponting became Test VC after the 03 World Cup IIRC.

He did however jump the queue in ODI's.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Was Warne VC just before the 2003 WC?

 

[morgieb]

Was Warne VC just before the 2003 WC?

No, he got sacked after texting English nurses in 2000 IIRC.

Imagine if Waugh wasn't dropped in the 99 World Cup though. Warne may well have been captain.

 

[Flem274*]

i think i'm the only person outside australia who likes david warner sometimes. he's really good and he's more passionate and stupid than malevolent.