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weldone · Dec 8, 2015

hendrix said:
weren't they involved in team selection? and isn't the captain partially responsible for the brand of bowling the bowler is asked to bowl?

Pujara and Ashwin were dropped by Kohli and Shastri. They should never have been dropped at the first place. They deserve 100% credit for their own revival - except maybe in Pujara's case Dravid deserves some credit as India A coach (though I personally don't think Pujara has necessarily become a better batsman after the dropping - he was always as good imo) and in Ashwin's case Bharat Arun the bowling coach. And no, Kohli doesn't tell Ashwin how to bowl - because Ashwin knows 100 times more about off-spin bowling and if Kohli says something Ashwin will reply with a few such jargons that Kohli will have to spend days to understand by reading some books lol. Ashwin also pretty much sets his own field these days.

Kohli deserves credit for Yadav though - he backed Yadav through the tough time. That's something Dhoni would never do for a fast bowler.

honestbharani · Dec 8, 2015

I just think Kohli is the kind of captain a younger player would react to. All this talk of MSD not being a great captain is just hindsight crap with no ounce of truth to it. But he was the cool type of captain who rarely displayed his emotions and it was great for the side that we had, with many seniors around. But with a much younger side, and having been used to the MSD style of captaincy, I just think the younger lot react so much better to how Kohli captains the side. He is more of an "in the trenches with you blokes" captain and people, including guys like Ashwin,Ishant etc. who were around under Dhoni, just get buoyed by that kinda attitude. I just hope he can balance it like Sourav of 2000-2003 than go overboard like the Sourav of 2004-2005.

Prince EWS · Dec 9, 2015

honestbharani said:
All this talk of MSD not being a great captain is just hindsight crap with no ounce of truth to it.

I don't know about that. I think he was a decent to good captain but I don't think he was a great one, at least in Tests, and that's an opinion I held right throughout his reign so it's not hindsight. I'd give him a B for management and a C for tactics.

smash84 · Dec 9, 2015

I'd probably give him a B+ or A- for management and C- or D for tactics.

His man management was pretty good given the big names he was carrying around in the team

Contra · Dec 9, 2015

The pitch argument would only hold if SA had done well during the times the pitch wasn't so bowler friendly, but the fact that they were shot out day 1 in Bangalore and then in Delhi first innings suggests that they simply weren't good enough, rather than it being because of the pitch itself.

As far as India is concerned there is no reason why they shouldn't feel proud of their achievements, regardless of what happens, test wins are not easy, and outside of that one blip against England back in 2012 where our top order was on its last legs, India have been highly impressive at home, much more so than they were back when they reached #1.

All India need to do is play 5 bowlers outside the SC and we should close out some games unlike in 2014 where we simply ran out of gas during the crucial moments. And someone PLEASE get rid of Rohit Sharma somehow... ugh.

Athlai · Dec 9, 2015

smalishah84 said:
I'd probably give him a B+ or A- for management and C- or D for tactics.

His man management was pretty good given the big names he was carrying around in the team

I'd say this is pretty fair.

weldone · Dec 9, 2015

Athlai said:
I'd say this is pretty fair.

In other words you felt lazy to hit the 'like' button but didn't feel lazy to type this.

Magrat Garlick · Dec 9, 2015

NZTailender said:
Not every four years. Just a once off to see how it goes. Teams playing in neutral venues for the interest factor.

Just fire up your favourite simulator. It's one of those ideas that plays off better in fiction than in real life anyway

chasingthedon · Dec 10, 2015

Prince EWS said:
I have my own version that does and it's not really all that different in terms of how it comes out. It basically just rearranges the really close four in the middle.

Code:

1 South Africa 283.33 2 Australia 265.00 3 England 210.75 4 India 209.25 5 Pakistan 205.00 6 New Zealand 198.33 7 Sri Lanka 176.67 8 West Indies 134.17 9 Bangladesh 67.50 10 Zimbabwe 50.00

I did something similar by re-running the rankings with an extra point added for an away series win; what that did was to highlight more dominant teams, as discussed at this link:-

Improving the ICC Test Team Rating System | Cricket Web

Howe_zat · Aug 8, 2016

I've been playing around with the predictor as it looks like Australia will lose their no.1 spot after their loss in Sri Lanka. India are well placed to take it if they win 3-0 in the WI, but England can nick it by beating Pakistan too.

Strangely the most likely thing to knock India off the top is - and I'm getting this entirely from the predictor - is if South Africa beat New Zealand at home.

If the current series pan out as the bookie's favourite scores, which are SL 3-0 Australia, England 3-1 Pakistan and WI 3-0 India then the table looks like this

1. India 112
2. England 112
3. Australia 108
4. Pakistan 105
5. NZ 98
6. SL 95
7. SA 92

But then if South Africa beat New Zealand at home 2-0 then the table looks like this

1. England 112
2. India 109
3. Australia 108
4. Pakistan 105
5. SA 98
6. SL 95
7. NZ 94

So, um, what gives?

flibbertyjibber · Aug 8, 2016

I presume it a time thing and India will lose points off a previous series from way back.

Magrat Garlick · Aug 8, 2016

flibbertyjibber said:
I presume it a time thing and India will lose points off a previous series from way back.

Nope, the reset from that is in May...

I don't think we can rule out incompetent coders here

Howe_zat · Aug 8, 2016

The good news is that this to and fro might get settled for a while on the result India v England in the winter - and we have previous in playing India for the top ranking

Furball · Aug 8, 2016

Hopefully they'll forget about how they can't play Moeen and prepare turners.

Furball · Aug 8, 2016

Howe_zat said:
I've been playing around with the predictor as it looks like Australia will lose their no.1 spot after their loss in Sri Lanka. India are well placed to take it if they win 3-0 in the WI, but England can nick it by beating Pakistan too.

Strangely the most likely thing to knock India off the top is - and I'm getting this entirely from the predictor - is if South Africa beat New Zealand at home.

If the current series pan out as the bookie's favourite scores, which are SL 3-0 Australia, England 3-1 Pakistan and WI 3-0 India then the table looks like this

1. India 112
2. England 112
3. Australia 108
4. Pakistan 105
5. NZ 98
6. SL 95
7. SA 92

But then if South Africa beat New Zealand at home 2-0 then the table looks like this

1. England 112
2. India 109
3. Australia 108
4. Pakistan 105
5. SA 98
6. SL 95
7. NZ 94

So, um, what gives?

Holy ****, South Africa 7th? It doesn't seem that long ago they were about 25 points ahead of 2nd.

GIMH · Aug 8, 2016

Furball said:
Holy ****, South Africa 7th? It doesn't seem that long ago they were about 25 points ahead of 2nd.

The old points dropping off must have killed them. I remember a similar thing happening to England around 2008 (though we weren't at top spot at that point of course)

91Jmay · Aug 8, 2016

Do India have some points off New Zealand that become less valuable if SA beat them?

Cabinet96 · Aug 8, 2016

GIMH said:
The old points dropping off must have killed them. I remember a similar thing happening to England around 2008 (though we weren't at top spot at that point of course)

Think SA lost winning against us when we were number one, and winning in Australia and New Zealand. Think they beat Sri Lanka at home that year too so four series wins lost.

Yeah I imagine us losing 2004 and 2004/05 must've been an absolute killer rankings wise.

Adders · Aug 8, 2016

India are about to embark on a run of 13 test home tests, so you'd think at the end of that they "should" have secured the No1 spot and have a bit of a cushion at the top.

Zinzan · Aug 9, 2016

Howe_zat said:
I've been playing around with the predictor as it looks like Australia will lose their no.1 spot after their loss in Sri Lanka. India are well placed to take it if they win 3-0 in the WI, but England can nick it by beating Pakistan too.

Strangely the most likely thing to knock India off the top is - and I'm getting this entirely from the predictor - is if South Africa beat New Zealand at home.

If the current series pan out as the bookie's favourite scores, which are SL 3-0 Australia, England 3-1 Pakistan and WI 3-0 India then the table looks like this

1. India 112
2. England 112
3. Australia 108
4. Pakistan 105
5. NZ 98
6. SL 95
7. SA 92

But then if South Africa beat New Zealand at home 2-0 then the table looks like this

1. England 112
2. India 109
3. Australia 108
4. Pakistan 105
5. SA 98
6. SL 95
7. NZ 94

So, um, what gives?

Strange that, my predictor shows NZ at number 1 after beating SA & India away and Pakistan and SA at home.

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