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Wilson back to full fitness!

Mingster

State Regular
Great for Cricket allround this! But one hopes when he will re-injure himself again...

In his first game back bowling he took 3-34 against the Auckland team down at the marvellous Uni Oval in Dunedin.

He nicked the promising Rob Nicol out, cleaned out Barnes stumps, and also got Adams out. Good wickets.

Would be great if he was fit to tour in England...an ODI attack comprising of Bond, Tuffey, Oram, Wilson, Vettori and Styris doesn't look too bad at all.

Cairns really needs to perform with the ball, otherwise there would be a straight swap with Wilson.
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
He's certainly an option for ODIs but I don't think his bowling's really suited to tests - and he couldn't be picked for his batting, even though he's no slouch!
 

southern man

U19 Cricketer
I cant see why he isnt suited to the test match games, His bowling is as tight as any.
He can also hold up an end with the bat.
Auckland were woeful today, Otago were quite good.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Cairns really will have his work cut out for him if he continues to have indifferent performances with both bat & ball.

Wilson has hardly put 2 games together this season through injury, yet he comes out with some remarkable performances.
 

southern man

U19 Cricketer
He is a great athelete, Just imagine if he stayed in cricket.
One thing that amazes me is how much bulkier he is than most other cricketers.
Iam pretty sure he is over his hamstring problems.
 

Mingster

State Regular
Hard Harry said:
He's certainly an option for ODIs but I don't think his bowling's really suited to tests - and he couldn't be picked for his batting, even though he's no slouch!
What? Not suited to Tests? What the hell?

His pace is probably right up there if not faster than the current crop of bowlers we have in Tuffey, Oram and Mills.

He bowls good lines, tight, and extracts good bounce from the deck.

Good point though about how Wilson won't get picked for his batting. The only way he will get into the side is with his bowling, and with that Bracewell speech, saying that he only wants specialists (a player who could get into the team on one facet alone) Wilson will need to get more bowling under his belt before the England Tour.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
southern man said:
Please tell me what makes you think that Wilson isnt a test player by todays bowling of.
19 overs, 5 maidens 3 for 34.
I've said it before and will say it again, good figures in domestic Cricket are not always a guide as to how well a bowler will do in International Cricket since the quality of batsmanship is completely different (as shown by the 3 he got out there)
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Richard said:
And in the vast majority of cases, they are.:rolleyes:
Oh really, so pray tell why the selectors (whose livelihoods depend on selecting successful sides, and also happen to see a hell of a lot more County Cricket than anyone on here) don't just pick the players with the lowest averages?

Maybe it's because the averages in such poor competition are misleading.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Or maybe it's because they've come to this misleading conclusion by listening to the misled comments of the like of you and Atherton!
Because most case-studies contradict the theory.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Most case-studies?

These selectors actually watch the bowlers in question and decide not to select them - how is that influence from others?

They watch it, see that the quality of CC is poor, and don't read so much into the records of the leading bowlers, since they've actually seen with their own eyes that these bowlers aren't what they want.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
riiiigghtt....anyway lets get back to the topic of Jeff Wilson.

Marc has a point, but I think if Wilson is putting the performances up consistently then it'll get to a point where he just can't be ignored by the NZ selectors.
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
My judgement of him as not really being a test bowler is based on what I know of him. I haven't had the pleasure of actually seeing him play as the domestic games at the Basin are nearly always midweek when I'm at work, and I don't have Sky TV . :(

So, that said, my assessment of his bowling is based on what I saw of it back in '93 when he played Australia in a 5 match series, and obviously I'm prepared to defer to those of you who have seen him more recently!

The other thing is, domestic form doesn't always equal test form. Another thing that may count against him is the surplus of bowlers we have in NZ at the moment.
 

Mingster

State Regular
Hard Harry said:
The other thing is, domestic form doesn't always equal test form. Another thing that may count against him is the surplus of bowlers we have in NZ at the moment.
Well domestic form is the best indication for selection is it not?

We dont have a surplus of good bowlers at the moment at ODI or Test level.

How can you think that?
 

southern man

U19 Cricketer
Well the fact he has a season FC bowling average of about 10, Really that is pretty low certainlet the best out of the current crop of opening bowlers.
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
Mingster said:
Well domestic form is the best indication for selection is it not?
You would think so, but that doesn't account for the selections of Vettori or Butler, for example.

We dont have a surplus of good bowlers at the moment at ODI or Test level.

How can you think that?
Sure we do - depends on your level of optimism I guess. James Franklin, Mark Gillespie, Brad Scott, Bruce Martin, Andrew Penn, and Ewen Thompson have all bowled well in FC games this season.

Those with a good past record who haven't had great seasons this time are Iain O'Brien, Lance Hamilton and Brent Hefford.

If you're looking for promise I hear Luke Woodcock and Regan West are turning into quite good spinners, and of course there's Richard Sherlock who is highly regarded.

And there are some players who are significantly better in one-dayers than FC games, such as Joseph Yovich and Andrew Schwass.

Of these bowlers only 2 have been selected for NZ before. Some of them I would consider worth looking at, others have lots of potential.

Plenty of cause for optimism in my book, especially when you add these guys to the recent NZ roster - Tuffey, Bond, Butler, Vettori, Mason, Oram, Adams, Cairns, Mills, Matt Walker, Hitchcock. Then there's Goldie!
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Hard Harry said:
that doesn't account for the selections ... Butler
And that's been a rip-roaring success, hasn't it?:lol: :lol: :lol:
Surely one of the worst bowlers, and the worst selections, of recent years. Up with Upashantha.
Why on Earth wasn't he mentioned when we were discussing "worst specialist bowler in international cricket of recent years"?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
marc71178 said:
Most case-studies?

These selectors actually watch the bowlers in question and decide not to select them - how is that influence from others?

They watch it, see that the quality of CC is poor, and don't read so much into the records of the leading bowlers, since they've actually seen with their own eyes that these bowlers aren't what they want.
And instead bowlers who aren't even having success in this apology for a tournament are?
The influence from others comes in the constant insistance of "you can't trust county cricket" - so instead of watching with an open mind, they go there (if, indeed, they go there at all - somehow I doubt you watch every move of Geoff Millar) with the attitude that this doesn't really matter, this bowler can't be that good, because he's having county success.
Most case-studies show that players who outperform their peers in the county championship also outperform them in Test-matches. Anomalies should not have anything read into them, let alone be treated as if they were the correlation!
 

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