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    Pollock is a better bowler than Kallis is batsman. Pollock's average of 21 for 300+ wickets means he is quite possibly the best bowler of this era (yes, I know a lot of you won't like this). Kallis on the other hand is a world class batsman, but he is clearly behind Tendulkar, Lara, and quite possibly Hayden, Dravid, and Ponting. However, I think Kallis' bowling, with an average around 30, is slightly better than Pollock's batting, with an average around 34. Kallis' batting average is 20 runs higher than Pollock's, and Pollock's bowling average is 10 runs lower, so I give it narrowly to Kallis (and yes, I realise that working out the differences in averages is a flawed method of determining this).

    Also, what about Lance Klusener? I dunno about his test figures, but is he the best ODI all-rounder ever?? He must have taken a host of wickets, and his batting record is phenomenal-averaging 42 and striking at a run a ball.

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    Originally posted by thierry henry
    Pollock is a better bowler than Kallis is batsman. Pollock's average of 21 for 300+ wickets means he is quite possibly the best bowler of this era (yes, I know a lot of you won't like this).
    Curtly Ambrose and Glen McGrath have 400+ wickets at around 21. Both have better SRs too.
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    Originally posted by thierry henry
    Also, what about Lance Klusener? I dunno about his test figures, but is he the best ODI all-rounder ever?? He must have taken a host of wickets, and his batting record is phenomenal-averaging 42 and striking at a run a ball.
    That's a bit over the top. Klusener has 189 wickets and 3433 runs in ODI cricket. I don't see how that can place him ahead of the likes of Kapil Dev 253 and 3783, Imran Khan 182(lower avge than Zulu and lower econ.) and 3709.

    The of course there's Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards...


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    Agree on Ambrose. I would put him in a slightly different era to Pollock. Ambrose is 90s, Pollock is mid 90s-mid 00s.

    As for McGrath, I think he averages 22+? A small but nevertheless important difference.

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    That's a bit over the top. Klusener has 189 wickets and 3433 runs in ODI cricket. I don't see how that can place him ahead of the likes of Kapil Dev 253 and 3783, Imran Khan 182(lower avge than Zulu and lower econ.) and 3709.

    The of course there's Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards...
    Richards-no. Not a proper all-rounder.

    Dev and Khan-no. I'm guessing their averages don't compare to Klusener's, especially batting averages. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

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    Originally posted by Eclipse
    I am yet to be convinced about Kallis batting against quality bowling he typicaly murders the weeker bowling teams.

    So I would say Pollock.
    Shaun Pollock who averages 35.86 against the West Indies, 36.66 against Zimbabwe, 41 against Bangladesh (one inns :P) and 25.27 against Australia?

    Shaun Pollock who averages 27.64 against Australia and 20.53 against everyone else?

    I rate Shaun Pollock as a great player and one of my favourites, but to pick him over Kallis because Kallis 'murders weaker teams' is rather ludicrous.

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    Originally posted by thierry henry
    As for McGrath, I think he averages 22+? A small but nevertheless important difference.
    McGrath averages 21.71 with a SR of 52.

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    Originally posted by thierry henry
    Richards-no. Not a proper all-rounder.

    Dev and Khan-no. I'm guessing their averages don't compare to Klusener's, especially batting averages. Please feel free to prove me wrong.
    Clearly I was not serious about Richards being a great allrounder.

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    225 ODIs

    3783 runs @ 23.79
    SR - 95.07
    14 fifties
    1 hundred
    HS - 175*

    % NOs - 19.69

    253 wickets @ 27.45
    SR - 44.2
    Econ - 3.71
    4w - 3
    5w - 1
    BB - 5/43

    Imran Khan Niazi

    175 ODIs

    3709 runs @ 33.41
    SR - 72.64
    19 fifties
    1 hundred
    HS - 102*

    % NOs - 26.49

    182 wickets @ 26.61
    SR - 40.9
    Econ - 3.89
    4w - 3
    5w - 1
    BB - 6/14

    Lance Klusener

    160 ODIs

    3433 runs @ 43.45
    SR - 90.74
    19 fifties
    2 hundreds
    HS - 103*

    % NOs - 37.79

    184 wickets @ 29.14
    SR - 37.2
    Econ - 4.69
    4w - 1
    5w - 6
    BB - 6/49

    Both Dev and Khan were better bowlers by far, whilst Klusener is the better batsman.

    I just find it hard to grasp that Klusener be the greatest allrounder in ODI cricket history.

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    Originally posted by Craig
    Beside Australia Eclipse, how many quality bowling line-ups are there? Obviously he doesnt play against South Africa.

    I can say that using your logic to apply to many cricketers.
    Replying to both you and eclispe's post, i would like to remind everyone that Kallis was nearly the only batsman who did well when South Africa last toured Australia.

    Here are the stats of that tour, Kallis averaged 49 with the bat.

    SA in Aus, couple of years back

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    Originally posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Clearly I was not serious about Richards being a great allrounder.

    Kapildev Ramlal Nikhanj

    225 ODIs

    3783 runs @ 23.79
    SR - 95.07
    14 fifties
    1 hundred
    HS - 175*

    % NOs - 19.69

    253 wickets @ 27.45
    SR - 44.2
    Econ - 3.71
    4w - 3
    5w - 1
    BB - 5/43

    Imran Khan Niazi

    175 ODIs

    3709 runs @ 33.41
    SR - 72.64
    19 fifties
    1 hundred
    HS - 102*

    % NOs - 26.49

    182 wickets @ 26.61
    SR - 40.9
    Econ - 3.89
    4w - 3
    5w - 1
    BB - 6/14

    Lance Klusener

    160 ODIs

    3433 runs @ 43.45
    SR - 90.74
    19 fifties
    2 hundreds
    HS - 103*

    % NOs - 37.79

    184 wickets @ 29.14
    SR - 37.2
    Econ - 4.69
    4w - 1
    5w - 6
    BB - 6/49

    Both Dev and Khan were better bowlers by far, whilst Klusener is the better batsman.

    I just find it hard to grasp that Klusener be the greatest allrounder in ODI cricket history.
    Those stats certainly seem to be in Klusener's favour.

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    Originally posted by Mr. Ponting
    Replying to both you and eclispe's post, i would like to remind everyone that Kallis was nearly the only batsman who did well when South Africa last toured Australia.

    Here are the stats of that tour, Kallis averaged 49 with the bat.

    SA in Aus, couple of years back
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    IMO it's like this:
    Kallis' batting is up with the best of the 1970-onwards era. His bowling is brilliant on it's day, his average could be about 3 lower than it is. Sobers' average, equally, could have been about 7 lower than it was.
    Pollock's bowling is about as deadly as possible on a green\uneven wicket, fairly innocuous on a wicket that offers neither. His batting is vastly underrated; I cannot believe that no-one has mentioned his average of 60+ in the last 2-and-a-half years.
    Not in Kallis' league, but IMO with Kallis' underachievement with the ball, Pollock is the better player.
    Neither, however, come close to Sobers, though they could end-up third and fourth in the all-time all-rounders list.
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    So who is number 2 then?
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    got to be Botham at number two.

    Imran Khan fans might have a word ot two about Kallis or Pollock being above him in the rankings though
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