The ATS Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[OverratedSanity]

Haha never realised Amre averaged that much tbh. Probably a result of his hundred in SA.

You're right that was probably harsh... but my opinion of him is formed by him stinking up the ODI team.

 

[weldone]

Don't understand how Amre gets in these teams ahead of Karthik, Dasgupta, Rathore, Chopra, Bangar... bloke averaged 40+.... you'llbe thowing Kambli and Rohit in there next...

Karthik, Dasgupta are keepers. Rathore, Chopra are openers. Bangar is already in the team. We need 3 specialist middle-order batsmen in the team. And we haven't seen many bad specialist middle-order batsmen in the last 23 years (thanks to the guns who occupied those positiopns for decades). Amre, Badani, Raina and Kaif are probably the worst of that variety available.

 

[Flametree]

Karthik has played plenty as a batsman though?

And you can always stretch to three openers. Since 1990 :

Chopra, Rathore, Mukund, Jadeja, Badani, Binny

Bangar, Gandhi, Raman, Badrinath, Raina, Robin Singh

Srikkanth, Das, Jaffer, Karthik, Mo.Kaif/Yuvraj, Kanitkar

There's three top 6's without mentioning Amre...

 

[NZTailender]

Of recent-ish memories

1. J Marshall
2. R Nicol
3. P Ingram
4. R Jones
5. R Hart
6. G Hopkins+
7. J Vaughan
8. B Walker
9. G Bradburn
10. B Arnel
11. K Walmsley

 

[honestbharani]

Karthik has played plenty as a batsman though?

And you can always stretch to three openers. Since 1990 :

Chopra, Rathore, Mukund, Jadeja, Badani, Binny

Bangar, Gandhi, Raman, Badrinath, Raina, Robin Singh

Srikkanth, Das, Jaffer, Karthik, Mo.Kaif/Yuvraj, Kanitkar

There's three top 6's without mentioning Amre...

I don't really think Mukund was that bad...

 

[weldone]

I don't really think Mukund was that bad...

neither was Badrinath...these players don't deserve to be in this discussion...Ajay Jadeja and Yuvraj were both better batsmen than Amre. Taking Srikkanth's name is really stretching the boundary of the term ATS too.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah Badrinath?! No way.

 

[Flametree]

Yeah Badrinath?! No way.

Was he a successful test batsman?

 

[weldone]

Was he a successful test batsman?

FC gun who played a handful of test matches, but should have played more if selectors were not blinded by ODI form of Yuvraj and Raina

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah, we have enough examples of guys who were not so much gun even in FC playing international cricket for India...

 

[JBMAC]

Australia:

Hilditch
Cameron White(c)
Wellham
Dav Whatmore
John Benaud
Trevor Chappell
Wayne Phillips (k)
Peter Allan
Tony Dell
Nathan Bracken
Trevor Hohns

Given some time could probably come with at least 2 more teams of duds

 

[NZTailender]

Harsh on Bear one feels; picked as a spinner batting at 8. After the same amount of matches Smith was averaging 23 with the bat and 51 with the ball in the same role. Guess the timing wasn't right for White to get the same chance to become a batsmen like Smith did later on.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Australia:

Hilditch
Cameron White(c)
Wellham
Dav Whatmore
John Benaud
Trevor Chappell
Wayne Phillips (k)
Peter Allan
Tony Dell
Nathan Bracken
Trevor Hohns

Given some time could probably come with at least 2 more teams of duds

Would certainly have won the Ashes in 1989.

 

[AldoRaine18]

India in last 23 years:

Devang Gandhi
Woorkeri Raman
Pravin Amre
Mohammad Kaif*
Hemang Badani
Ajay Ratra+
Nikhil Chopra
David Johnson
Dodda Ganesh
Tinu Yohannan
Rahul Sanghvi

Harsh on Kaif.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Would certainly have won the Ashes in 1989.

Despite their ages as well.

 

[Red]

Been thinking about this while reading Geoff Armstrong's "100 Greatest Cricketers". Here is my well thought out ATG XI

Jack Hobbs- Hobbs was widely regarded as the greatest batsman ever prior to Bradman's emergence. Hobbs has a flawless technique and an unflappable temperament. Evidently a very good fieldsman also. He played for so long, and all the way maintained his consistency. Impossible to leave out on an XI.

Len Hutton- Hutton was such a brilliant technician, really the ideal opening bat. He played some pretty potent attacks and time and again demonstrated a mastery of his game. Unflappable temperament to match Hobbs's.

Don Bradman

Jaques Kallis- Other contenders for this slot are Tendulkar, Greg Chappell and Hammond. My choice is Kallis because of the entire package he brings to the team. Classical batsman, calm temperament, and a sound record with the bat against all opponents. Similar to the others mentioned in batting fashion, but Kallis also adds nearly 2 wickets per test, plus great slip catching. Provides a solidity to the middle order in the midst of a couple of dashers.

Viv Richards- I've no doubt that when on song and in his prime, Viv was the most intimidating batsman to ever play the game. Gun fielder too, whether in the infield or in the slips.

Garry Sobers- Many say the second best batsman ever. Also a pace bowler and spin bowler. Also a gun fielder. Everyone knows all this.

Allan Knott- The choice between Gilchrist and Knott is difficult. I rate them both similarly. I do think Knott to be a slightly superior keeper, and I think his batting is underrated. Played some clutch innings against searing pace when other English batsman weren't coping.

Shane Warne- The competitiveness of Warne was intense. He loved the contest. So pleased he was in my watching era. Peerless skills with the ball and an obdurate batsman, who, like Knott, often played a gutsy innings when the batsmen had failed before him.

Wasim Akram- Left arm master. Searing pace and sharp swing. Handy batsman too.

Dennis Lillee- My favourite quick bowler ever. Never laid down in the contest. Massive physical presence and had every trick in the book as a quick bowler.

Curtly Ambrose- You could argue Marshall was better, and you may be correct, but I think Ambrose's height and pace and aggression compliment Lillee and Wasim perfectly. Nothing better than seeing a batsman playing around Curtly's seering inswinger while stumps fly everywhere.

12th- Keith Miller

 

[Red]

All rounder madness

Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman
Sangakkara
Kallis
Sobers
Faulkner
Botham
Imran
Hadlee
Benaud

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

All rounder madness

Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman
Sangakkara
Kallis
Sobers
Faulkner
Botham
Imran
Hadlee
Benaud

That is a very very useful team, that would destroy the hearts of opposition bowlers. Even the West Indies pace attack of the 1980's would get tired looking at that batting line up. Sanga should bat lower if he's keeping. Perhaps switch Botham for Miller? Faulkner is lucky to make the side - but I am a huge fan of his.

Tough on Procter and Rice. But they're used to omission.

With that bowling line up, enforcing the follow on is an easy peaasy decision.

 

[honestbharani]

Vinoo Mankad should be in there somewhere I think...

 

[honestbharani]

A all-rounder side with every variety of bowlers covered.... (and leaving out Sobers as it will be almost cheating if you had him for such a side)


Bob Simpson
Simon Katich
Viv Richards
Allan Border (c)
Jacques Kallis
Frank Wooley (sp?)
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Richard Hadlee
Wasim Akram
Shane Warne
Michael Holding



It is more of a side of bowlers who can bat and batsmen who can bowl decently at this level but this would be a pretty hard side to beat in almost any type of cricket conditions...