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Will Trent Boult eclipse Tim Southee by the end of their careers?
- Thread starter kiwiviktor81
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kiwiviktor81
International Debutant
In context, it was explained as Southee getting his choice of end at the start of an innings. They said Southee got to choose because he was the senior bowler. My understanding was that this choice was generally given to the strike bowler, not necessarily the senior one. I assumed that seniority was used as a tiebreaker because Southee and Boult are roughly equally as good, which may not be the case in the hindsight of 10-20 years.
Shri
Mr. Glass
So is Irfan Pathan.
kiwiviktor81
International Debutant
Stats time!
Trent Boult test debut: Dec 9, 2011
Bowling average since then: 27.12
Southee average since Dec 9, 2011: 27.58
Trent Boult test debut: Dec 9, 2011
Bowling average since then: 27.12
Southee average since Dec 9, 2011: 27.58
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
the stats support what i said so they must be right
I'll cop to not mentioning Alan Davidson but not irfan pathan. :P
Burgey
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I always think of Davo too, but you should consider Wasim Akram.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
A-hem!
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
why did you just post a mirror image video of dennis lillee?
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
I think Southee is the better bowler.
There's a few things going for Boult:
- left handed batsmen seem to suck against left arm swing bowlers
- he's bloody fit
- does have the ability to swing it the other way, although it's not that accurate
- pretty accurate stock away swinger
- usually a couple of km/h faster than Southee
But I think Southee is more dangerous:
- gets more bounce
- can seam the ball a bit better
- as such, isn't as reliant on swing (although he's still reliant on it)
- With his height, back-of-a-length can still be dangerous, whereas when Boult bowls that length it just sits up
- is a bit better at utilising reverse.
There's a few things going for Boult:
- left handed batsmen seem to suck against left arm swing bowlers
- he's bloody fit
- does have the ability to swing it the other way, although it's not that accurate
- pretty accurate stock away swinger
- usually a couple of km/h faster than Southee
But I think Southee is more dangerous:
- gets more bounce
- can seam the ball a bit better
- as such, isn't as reliant on swing (although he's still reliant on it)
- With his height, back-of-a-length can still be dangerous, whereas when Boult bowls that length it just sits up
- is a bit better at utilising reverse.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
You have to take it into context a bit though. Boult made his debut when he was 22. When Southee was 22 he'd already been playing Test cricket for three years blowing out his average because he wasn't good enough yet. I'm sure if Boult had been made to play Test cricket for three years before his actual debut, his record would be much less favourable as well.
It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking Boult is much younger than Southee because Southee debuted so much earlier, but they're actually less than a year apart in age. In matches they've both played (27 of them), here are their stats:
Boult - 113 wickets @ 25.49
Southee - 107 wickets @ 27.58
I think Boult is the better bowler as well, but "Southee's record" and "Southee's overall career stats" are two very different beasts. As you can see he's been much more effective since that disastrous premature go at Test cricket.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Perhaps it is because southee has had more cricket, or perhaps it is because he has more options with what he can do with the ball, but southee appears the more Wiley of the two of them.
Southee uses the crease better, has a wicket taking bouncer, and can move the ball both ways at will (even if one of those deliveries is a cutter)
Boult does have one that goes the other way but he seems to be more comfortable bowling this delivery with a duke ball.
In summary southee has a wider variety of deliveries he can hurt you with.
Who is the form bowler right now? It is probably boult.
Who will be the more consistent bowler? Probably boult.
Who is the classier bowler? It is tim. He will bounce back.
Southee uses the crease better, has a wicket taking bouncer, and can move the ball both ways at will (even if one of those deliveries is a cutter)
Boult does have one that goes the other way but he seems to be more comfortable bowling this delivery with a duke ball.
In summary southee has a wider variety of deliveries he can hurt you with.
Who is the form bowler right now? It is probably boult.
Who will be the more consistent bowler? Probably boult.
Who is the classier bowler? It is tim. He will bounce back.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Was Bairstow's dismissal in the 2nd innings at Headingley the first time that Boult has picked up a test wicket with his inswinger? It's not an especially profitable delivery for him, at least in the longer form - nothing like Southee's off-cutter anyway. Having said that, Boult is definitely getting better with the in-swinger. The yorker he bowled to Sangakkara at the World Cup was just sublime.
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Did you mean Ali? I always get those guys mixed up too.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
No I meant Ballance. Bah, too many rubbish batsmen whose names start with B.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
I thought he meant Ballance.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Did it really even swing? I thought it was just genius use of the crease, went wider so the angle changed.
Watching both bowlers I get the impression Boult is a serious student of the game. Every time he bowls you can see he's got a plan and he tries to bowl to it. Also I like his stern faced attitude.
I can't say the same about Southee. He seems to be a bit low on passion. I think Southee was at his best when he had Alan Donald coaching him. He put a bit of mongrel into Southee's bowling. I feel that is what Southee is lacking. Watching him in England it always looks like Southee's bowling with a smile on his face. Batsman won't really take you seriously if you appear passive like that.
I can't say the same about Southee. He seems to be a bit low on passion. I think Southee was at his best when he had Alan Donald coaching him. He put a bit of mongrel into Southee's bowling. I feel that is what Southee is lacking. Watching him in England it always looks like Southee's bowling with a smile on his face. Batsman won't really take you seriously if you appear passive like that.