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    Originally posted by Richard
    So the rest (bar Basin Reserve) have still got squares that are trampled on by rugby players for 6 or 7 months?
    I am right that McLean Park, Carisbrook, WP Trust Park, WP Trust Stadium and the two aforementioned are all primarily rugby stadiums?
    Yeah, Australia have alright pitches though.

    The MCG, SCG, GABBA and so on have Aussie Rules and the rugby league crap played on it most of the year...

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    Originally posted by prithvi
    hey - what kind of excuse was that?? these are international pitches and professional groundsmen - did they have to 'experiment' in a test series? and what does the weather have to do with the amount of grass thats left on the pitch? dont grass cutters/mowers work in NZ summers?
    By and large the experiments worked - the pitches had much more pace and bounce than is usual in this country. The problem was excessive sideways movement, which combined with the pace and bounce, made life extremely difficult for the batsmen.

    As for mowers, don't be ridiculous. Preparing a decent pitch is much more than mowing a strip of grass - it has to have exposure to the sun to bake and harden the surface. Due to our horrible summer this wasn't able to happen and we got the minefields that you and everyone else saw.

    I think it's about time that Indian fans stop blaming the pitches and admit they were bested. After all, in seven of the nine internationals, NZ scored more runs than the Indians did - simple as that.

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    Im also tired of hearing constant whining about the pitches during the NZ/India series...sure they were poor, but NZ weren't exactly doing much better than India.

    If you look at the scorecards, NZ was even bowled out for less than India in their 1st innings at Wellington I think.
    If India had stopped worrying about the pitches, it could have easily have been 2-0 to India in that series.
    Im absolutely certain a more professional side like Australia or South Africa would have won 2-0 but NZ were in no great shakes during that series.

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    Originally posted by prithvi
    yep- on that, i would agree. its been a while since england has produced a quality cricketer who would put fear in the opposition. the recent 'greats' of eng cricket include alec stewart and nasser hussein, both of whom average less than 40 in test cricket. and there doesnt seem to be anyone in the horizon, other than flintoff and maybe, vaughan to an extent, who can lift eng out of this mess.

    i think its going to take atleast 6-7 years for eng to be competitive in test cricket again - and im talking abt being competitive with the best - aus, SA and india. england can forget the ashes for a long long time !!

    Yeah id agree to an extent... England is full of test standard cricketers, but it seems there is something entrenched in the cricketing culture which stops a world beater emerging.. I just cant see where the next Botham/Gooch/Laker/Boycott/Hobbs is going to come from... Id like to be proved very wrong though...
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    Originally posted by Tim
    Im also tired of hearing constant whining about the pitches during the NZ/India series...sure they were poor, but NZ weren't exactly doing much better than India.

    If you look at the scorecards, NZ was even bowled out for less than India in their 1st innings at Wellington I think.
    If India had stopped worrying about the pitches, it could have easily have been 2-0 to India in that series.
    Im absolutely certain a more professional side like Australia or South Africa would have won 2-0 but NZ were in no great shakes during that series.
    And the fact India's selectors werent using their brains and left Srinath back in India.
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    Originally posted by Hard Harry
    I think it's about time that Indian fans stop blaming the pitches and admit they were bested. After all, in seven of the nine internationals, NZ scored more runs than the Indians did - simple as that.
    I think you mean 5 out of 7 ODI's. Out of the 7 ODIs the team, which lost the toss and had to bat first,lost the match in 6 of the matches. The only match in which this didnt happen was the 2'nd ODI played on a decent pitch on which the score crossed 200.I think that says something abt. the quality of the pitches.

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    Originally posted by Craig
    And the fact India's selectors werent using their brains and left Srinath back in India.
    They obviously didnt want to overwork him before the WC. He did play in the ODIs. If they had dropped him thinking he wouldnt perform,then that would be not using their brains.

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    last season the test were played to early, both before christams. nz best months are traditionally jan feb march although you wouldnt know it this year - wetest january since 1896 (in wellington) and already in february we have had 220 mills of rain, the average is 67 mils. the record is 240, and its ****ing down as i write this - so it dosent look like we will get a pitch of an quality for the ODI on friday as we are due for a another southerly.

    nz groundsmen showed what they can do , nz V pak in welly ODI and the christchurch pitch used for the state shield final and the SOO, they just need nature on their side

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    Originally posted by Langeveldt
    Yeah id agree to an extent... England is full of test standard cricketers, but it seems there is something entrenched in the cricketing culture which stops a world beater emerging.. I just cant see where the next Botham/Gooch/Laker/Boycott/Hobbs is going to come from... Id like to be proved very wrong though...
    well - u're in for a long wait - for u to be proved wrong, ie.

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    Originally posted by prithvi
    well - u're in for a long wait - for u to be proved wrong, ie.
    What makes you so sure?
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    Originally posted by Hard Harry
    By and large the experiments worked - the pitches had much more pace and bounce than is usual in this country. The problem was excessive sideways movement, which combined with the pace and bounce, made life extremely difficult for the batsmen.

    As for mowers, don't be ridiculous. Preparing a decent pitch is much more than mowing a strip of grass - it has to have exposure to the sun to bake and harden the surface. Due to our horrible summer this wasn't able to happen and we got the minefields that you and everyone else saw.

    I think it's about time that Indian fans stop blaming the pitches and admit they were bested. After all, in seven of the nine internationals, NZ scored more runs than the Indians did - simple as that.
    simple as that - my friend. no one is disputing that NZ exploited the conditions better than india, so they were the better team. after all, both teams got the same pitch and conditions.

    i wasnt discussing the result of that series, but the attempt to make excuses for the poor pitches. and those pitches WERE poor - fleming himself said so. we are all sympathetic to ur climatic aberrations, but get over it - this is intl cricket. and cricket played on those pitches is not a good advertisement for the sport.

    and that 'experiment' actually did more damage to NZ than it did to india - coz the NZ batsmen werent able to carry any sort of form into the world cup.

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    What makes you so sure?
    just a gut feel, plus even i cant see where the next gower/botham is going to come from. some of the guys who've made debuts for eng in the recent past - like robert key, have been ordinary, to say the least. the eng cap is being given away far too easily IMO.

    but eng have fought well on tours abroad in the recent past, though the bottom line still doesnt read well for eng (their last torus to ind and lanka have ended in losses). and the gap between them and aus (for the ashes in particular) has only been widening. and i dont think flintoff and vaughan are going to be able to bridge that on their own.

    there arent too many pace bowlers who have played regularly for eng - they're out with injury (this is turning out to be a global phenomenon though). but what eng dont have is the reserve strength of the aussies to replace these injured players.

    of course i can be proved wrong, but that is looking quite unlikely.

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    Originally posted by marc71178
    That said I wouldn't be bracketing India with Australia and SA as the "best" until they actually win an away series.
    yep - point taken.
    though i think its only a matter of time.

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    Originally posted by Langeveldt
    I just cant see where the next Laker is going to come from...
    IMO there's a couple not too inferior to Laker in the current pool of county players - RDB Croft and AF Giles.
    Difference is in the wickets.
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    Originally posted by Tim
    Im also tired of hearing constant whining about the pitches during the NZ/India series...sure they were poor, but NZ weren't exactly doing much better than India.

    If you look at the scorecards, NZ was even bowled out for less than India in their 1st innings at Wellington I think.
    If India had stopped worrying about the pitches, it could have easily have been 2-0 to India in that series.
    Im absolutely certain a more professional side like Australia or South Africa would have won 2-0 but NZ were in no great shakes during that series.
    Quite frankly, the best chance of beating India is to prepare wickets similar to those of that series.
    It's India's fault and no-one else's that they didn't return the compliment in October.
    The home side has every right to help themselves as much as possible. If you're good in all conditions, you'll beat them anyway, as Tim points-out.

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