Which team will miss out on the Champions Trophy?

[GIMH]

Why is it in England again when the last one was and we have the next WC?

 

[Furball]

Where else are you going to host something in June?

 

[GIMH]

Where else are you going to host something in June?

Why does it have to be in June?

 

[Aman Bansal]

I think West Indies will not qualify for Champions Trophy and Pakistan will through to it by winning series against Zimbabwe. The full list of qualified teams for ICC Champions trophy 2017 at sportsmirchi.com

 

[smash84]

looks like Mr Aman Bansal was right

Pakistan’s Champions Trophy berth confirmed in new ICC rankings - Sport - DAWN.COM

Pakistan scrape through by the skin of their teeth to get into the champions trophy

 

[Marius]

Why is it in England again when the last one was and we have the next WC?

I think all ICC events up to 2023 are going to be in India, England, or Australia.

And probably after that too.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Why is it in England again when the last one was and we have the next WC?

And especially when you lot don't even care about ODI cricket.. to have 3 major ODI tournaments on the trot in England is inexplicable.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Does West Indies even care about not making it to Champions Trophy? I might be missing something but I haven't heard of any disappointment or outrage or anything expressed by the WICB about this. Not sure if they care.

 

[cnerd123]

Such a good thread.

So much tasting.

 

[OverratedSanity]

lol @ WI. Won't be missed.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

So confirmed - no Windies. AB, Amla & Guptill will be disappointed

 

[weldone]

That's fair imo. West Indies won't be missed. Pakistan and Bangladesh both have some seriously good ODI players. West Indies has only one in Gayle, if Dwayne is not selected.

 

[aussie]

Former ICC boss incensed at Pakistan's Windies-killing u-turn | Digicel SportsMax

Former ICC president Eshan Mani was on point with this issue.

Ehsan Mani, a former International Cricket Council (ICC) president doesn't believe Pakistan is playing fair and have slammed the country's board for it.

The statements come in the wake of a situation where the West Indies and Pakistan were vying for the final spot in the eight-team Champions Trophy in 2017, with Pakistan nipping the spot after a 3-2 series win over Sri Lanka.

To make the Champions Trophy, teams have to be ranked in the top eight by September 30, 2015, but Pakistan are being accused of rigging the chase after they cancelled a tri-nation series against Zimbabwe and the West Indies once they had earned enough points to overtake them after their series against Sri Lanka.

“The fact that Pakistan has pulled out of the tri-series is simply not cricket and goes against the spirit of the game,” said Mani of the cancelled series scheduled to have been held from August 17-September 7.

Pakistan, since that time, rescheduled the dates they were available to play to September 24 - October 5.

The Pakistan team is ranked eighth with 90 points on the ICC 50 overs table, but are just two ahead of the West Indies, who are ranked ninth on 88 points.

“Unfortunately, since the ICC meddled with the binding nature of the Future Tours Programme (FTP) last year, there is no obligation on any country to stick to commitments made to tour unless these have been confirmed in a binding contact,” said Mani.


“This free for all nature of tour commitment opens it to manipulation which is exactly what has happened in this case. It also shows just how blindly the cricket boards agreed to the changes in the FTP without understanding the consequences.”


Mani's stance on the situation is made all the more interesting because he is of Pakistani descent. The former ICC president held the reigns of the international governing body of the sport from 2003-2006.

In 2013 ICC announced the Champions Trophy would be replaced by the “World Test Championship” in England 2017, followed by one in India 2021 - so that cricket’s three formats could have one showpiece tournament each.

However during last year’s much condemned “Big 3” ICC takeover by India, England & Australia, ICC Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Dave Richardson stated that the Champions trophy would be played instead, citing a struggle to find a suitable format and non commitment from broadcasters.

Essentially the ICC have created a fake crisis for the Windies because bringing back this revamped C-Trophy with just 8 teams is nonsense & shows how confused they are. The C-Trophy simply should not exist in current format.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

No surprise. The whole world knew Pakistan would back off if they gained enough points to clear WI. Got to feel for WI as they were caught up in the situation but there should have been some sort of back plans implemented by the board if they really wanted to play CT; tbh even winning against lower ranked teams would not have helped their cause at the time. Don't remember if some of the bigger teams were available or not.

 

[aussie]

No surprise. The whole world knew Pakistan would back off if they gained enough points to clear WI. Got to feel for WI as they were caught up in the situation but there should have been some sort of back plans implemented by the board if they really wanted to play CT; tbh even winning against lower ranked teams would not have helped their cause at the time. Don't remember if some of the bigger teams were available or not.

Unless I'm mistaken of how the points system works, West Indies would not have gain enough or any major points to pass Pakistan in time for the cut off date by playing a lower ranked side. They had to beat PAK if the tri-series was played or organize a series with a team in a top 8 & beat them before September 30th and win.

The ICC nonsense really gave Pakistan no choice but to be concerned about their self interest and back out of tri-series. If it was Windies in # 8 spot, i'm sure they would have done same.

But all cricket boards as Mani stated should take blame (especially the weak financial non big 3 teams) for supporting the new free for all FTP structure.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Unless I'm mistaken of how the points system works, West Indies would not have gain enough or any major points to pass Pakistan in time for the cut off date by playing a lower ranked side. They had to beat PAK if the tri-series was played or organize a series with a team in a top 8 & beat them before September 30th and win.

The ICC nonsense really gave Pakistan no choice but to be concerned about their self interest and back out of tri-series. If it was Windies in # 8 spot, i'm sure they would have done same.

But all cricket boards as Mani stated should take blame (especially the weak financial non big 3 teams) for supporting the new free for all FTP structure.

There were talks in the recently concluded ICC meeting about reviewing FTP structure but you know just talks and nothing was mentioned elaborately in the media release about that!

 

[aussie]

There were talks in the recently concluded ICC meeting about reviewing FTP structure but you know just talks and nothing was mentioned elaborately in the media release about that!

Exactly - limiting the champions trophy goes along with ICC decision to limit world cup to 10 teams after the associates did so well this year and disingenuously presenting the World T20 as a 16-team event rather than a ten-team tournament with a qualifier tacked on - in their overall poor plans to grow the game.

Clearly the "Big 3" are off to a bright start ha smh

 

[G.I.Joe]

Unless I'm mistaken of how the points system works, West Indies would not have gain enough or any major points to pass Pakistan in time for the cut off date by playing a lower ranked side. They had to beat PAK if the tri-series was played or organize a series with a team in a top 8 & beat them before September 30th and win.

The ICC nonsense really gave Pakistan no choice but to be concerned about their self interest and back out of tri-series. If it was Windies in # 8 spot, i'm sure they would have done same.

But all cricket boards as Mani stated should take blame (especially the weak financial non big 3 teams) for supporting the new free for all FTP structure.

DWTA. Considering the fallout from the shambles in India, the WI are in no position to again pull out of a tournament.

Don't blame the ICC FTP. Blame Pakistan for gaming the system.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Exactly - limiting the champions trophy goes along with ICC decision to limit world cup to 10 teams after the associates did so well this year and disingenuously presenting the World T20 as a 16-team event rather than a ten-team tournament with a qualifier tacked on - in their overall poor plans to grow the game.

Clearly the "Big 3" are off to a bright start ha smh

It's England behind the move to limit the WC to 10 teams. It wasn't a collective decision by the Big 2 (and England).

 

[aussie]

DWTA. Considering the fallout from the shambles in India, the WI are in no position to again pull out of a tournament.

Don't blame the ICC FTP. Blame Pakistan for gaming the system.

Under the new non binding FTP which has no legal ramifications unless boards agree (this tri-series was actually never actually written into a contract it was proposed by ZIM and originally was suppose to just be a ZIM & PAK ODI series), if it was the WI in # 8 & they did to PAK what PAK did - that's different to the India situation. They would have had to be on the ground for the tri-series for it to be comparable.

Plus he FTP deserves all the blame because any of the test playing nations could game the system like that if they were in this situation.