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Yuvraj Singh
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Prince EWS
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Yes most threads in most forums turn out like that, but the threads normally do carry on their original discussion....
I nearly said "I know its off topic but" before I started to talk about Yuvraj, and I thought to myself, "Why do I want to talk about Yuvraj?" And then I remebered it was a Yuvraj thread.
Anyway, Chopra!
I nearly said "I know its off topic but" before I started to talk about Yuvraj, and I thought to myself, "Why do I want to talk about Yuvraj?" And then I remebered it was a Yuvraj thread.
Anyway, Chopra!
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Bangar is a bits-and-pieces player who wouldn't even fit in an England ODI team. He can't fit into the top 6 of the batting, or top 5 of the bowling.
Sehwag offers an equally good bowling option, given he's a batsman first, and he's a MUCH better batsman. He can do much better if than Bangar if he bowls more overs than him. Bangar's Railways teammate, JP Yadav, is far better.
The other way round, Pathan's a decent batsman, and a MUCH better bowler. He can even do a better job opening the batting. Even Harbhajan, Zaheer and Karthik can do better.
Sehwag offers an equally good bowling option, given he's a batsman first, and he's a MUCH better batsman. He can do much better if than Bangar if he bowls more overs than him. Bangar's Railways teammate, JP Yadav, is far better.
The other way round, Pathan's a decent batsman, and a MUCH better bowler. He can even do a better job opening the batting. Even Harbhajan, Zaheer and Karthik can do better.
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Swervy
International Captain
yes I am interested to hear how Chopra is a better opening batsman than someone who is averaging over 65 this decade, has an overall average of over 58, holds the world test batting record of 380 runs in an innings and scored 16 test centuries in the last 63 innings and scores his runs at a pace which if he is still there half way through the second session of the first day is probably past his centuryCactus said:
Richard
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He would if he basically never faced it in the period in question.
With regard to Hayden, his golden period has been since the 2001\02 series against New Zealand. Not only has he more benefited from than his share of let-offs, he has also not really had to face any seam or swing.
Just look at the individual pitches and bowlers if you don't believe me.
With regard to Hayden, his golden period has been since the 2001\02 series against New Zealand. Not only has he more benefited from than his share of let-offs, he has also not really had to face any seam or swing.
Just look at the individual pitches and bowlers if you don't believe me.
Prince EWS
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Hayden would play exactly the same way if he was batting at number 6. Hayden is a very good player, but he is not an opener. He is killing teh openign batting position by making it exactly the same as batting at number 6. Havent you noticed the way langer normally takes most of the strike when teh ball is swinging and seaming? Hayden is only good because of the good (which are actually bad) pitched that are produced here. The dont seam, or spin. The have bounce. But thats it. Hayden is killing opening batsman (real ones like Attapattu, Chopra nad Gripper), and groundsmen are letting him do it.
Swervy
International Captain
I see your point...however, if its successful dont knock it.Prince EWS said:
If Langer takes the strike vs seam,then thats them playing to the strengths of the team..and that has happened throughout history. The opening position isnt sacred...but success is. Its just part of the evolution of the game, we may well see more players like Hayden opening the batting. He enables Australia to seize the initiative straight away..which is surely the job of the opener.hayden just does it in a more aggressive way..he bullies and intimidates the opposition and seizes the initiative more often than not.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
First it's Bob Willis, now it's Matthew Hayden.....
Anyway, I doubt if Yuvraj is really a good batsmen against Test quality attacks, even in one-dayers. I have seen him struggle in the county matches, then he had a tough time in his only Test match, then a bad one-day series in India, then a slightly-better-than-average series in Australia, with a 50 against Hero Hondo and his heroes, and a hundred against Australia's one-day specialist bowlers, and nothing else noteworthy. He can't play spin at all, which is not at all good, given he's playing in an Indian team (all Australians, even a few English and South African batsmen can play spin better), and he's not that good against a powerful pace attack, especially the tearaway quicks.
That said, he is one of the best fielders around. That direct hit in Perth to run Carlisle out is evidence of the fact that Sidhu's Pied Piper of Punjab is at the top there, with Ponting, and better than Gibbs. Jonty Rhodes is an exception, since he's at the Mount Everest in fielding. His running between the wickets is also quite good, which cannot be said about the Indians' more illustrious batsmen. Skipper, take note. His bowling may not even be of club standard and a move to bring him on a risk, but it is still quite effective. What he lacks in quality, he makes up for it in utility.
Anyway, I doubt if Yuvraj is really a good batsmen against Test quality attacks, even in one-dayers. I have seen him struggle in the county matches, then he had a tough time in his only Test match, then a bad one-day series in India, then a slightly-better-than-average series in Australia, with a 50 against Hero Hondo and his heroes, and a hundred against Australia's one-day specialist bowlers, and nothing else noteworthy. He can't play spin at all, which is not at all good, given he's playing in an Indian team (all Australians, even a few English and South African batsmen can play spin better), and he's not that good against a powerful pace attack, especially the tearaway quicks.
That said, he is one of the best fielders around. That direct hit in Perth to run Carlisle out is evidence of the fact that Sidhu's Pied Piper of Punjab is at the top there, with Ponting, and better than Gibbs. Jonty Rhodes is an exception, since he's at the Mount Everest in fielding. His running between the wickets is also quite good, which cannot be said about the Indians' more illustrious batsmen. Skipper, take note. His bowling may not even be of club standard and a move to bring him on a risk, but it is still quite effective. What he lacks in quality, he makes up for it in utility.
Like whom? Ashish Nehra? James Anderson? Stuart MacGill? Anyone in international cricket can bat better than them. Even Vasbert Drakes is a better batsman!
Richard
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Test-quality attacks in one-dayers... interesting one, there, Arjun! He struggled last season, no doubt whatsoever about that - typical Headingley is the sort of wicket batsmen like him have nightmares about. He's nowhere near good enough to play for us, sadly, but he'd do well at some counties methinks. For me, though, in ODIs he's a good player. The attacks in the VB Series mightn't have been that good, but plenty did worse than him, and you're no worse than your most recent series. Anyway, as has been discussed in the Graeme Smith case, if all the attacks are the same, then it doesn't matter if they're all poor or good - you're just as likely to have success or failure!Arjun said:
Absolutely no way. Drakes is an upper-tail-ender at best. Bangar may not be much of an all-rounder, but he is one, certainly better than Drakes with the bat and about equal with the ball if you ask me.
Yes, anyone can bat better than Nehra, MacGill and Anderson. But anyone can also bat better than Harbhajan, Zaheer Khan and Pathan. They're all basically useless tail-enders, and Bangar is an authentic batsman. He's better than the lot of them put together.
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Amazing deduction Richard.Richard said:
Drakes 33 Test wickets @ 41.27, 1x5w
51 ODI wickets @ 25.35, 3x4w, 2x5w
614 FC wickets @ 26.16, 28x5w, 2x10w
277 OD wickets @ 26.18, 8x4w, 4x5w
Bangar 7 Test wickets @ 49
7 ODI wickets @ 54.85
118 FC wickets @ 39.76, 2x5w
45 OD wickets @ 47.77
Clearly Drakes only just manages to be equal with Bangar. :rolleyes: