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    Fourday Tests and the 4DTWC

    So here is a very left field idea that I don't think is going to be met with the most positive comments as it is very left field but since it's a good idea in my mind here it is:

    Fourday tests, to be from now known as 4Ds or 4DTs, put in to a world cup format,

    The 4DT
    -Four innings
    ----->One inning is each day
    -The team that is the toss victor gets innings 1,3
    -90ov/day
    -If captains of a team do not get through their required overs, they don't have a fine. However instead of a fine, that amount of overs will be deducted from his team's next inning.
    -After 90ov then what is going to happen is the same as a regular ODI or T20 once quota of overs is reached
    -As per what would happen in a regular test, last day is able to go overtime
    -For ties there is a super fiver (super over except it's five overs)
    -For rain there is a system where the corresponding innings of the next team goes to what ever amount of overs the rain delayed team had
    ----->so effectively if australia bat the first innings but because of rain only get 74 overs, that is what the next team are going to get for the second innings but the third and fourth stay 90

    The 4DTWC
    -16 teams that are based on the icc rankings, four groups of four
    -Groups are:
    ----->A -> 1,16, 8,9
    ----->B -> 2, 15, 7, 10
    ----->C -> 3, 14, 6, 11
    ----->D -> 4, 13, 5, 12
    -Four tests for each "set", a test from each group
    ----->Sets are each a period of four days
    -Top two from each group go to the next round
    -If there is a tie for a knockout it is still a super fiver, and knockouts are as follows:
    ----->QF1 -> A1vD2
    ----->QF2 -> B1vC2
    ----->QF3 -> D1vA2
    ----->QF4 -> C1vD2
    -Semis:
    ----->SF1 -> QF1vQF4
    ----->SF2 -> QF2vQF3

    Any questions?

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    Good brainstorming. I like your creativity.

    I guess my immediate reaction is about the world cup. The pool play would take forever.

    I also wonder how attacking teams would be - I imagine teams would try to bat at a run rate of at least 4 an over and would try through accelerating at the end to get to 400 off their 90 overs.

    Good thinking anyway.
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    doing math it seems that six games per pool times four days equals 24 days for the pool play

    issue is that realistically all of the finals would be seperate days which means 16(QF)+8(SF)+4(FF) is more than the pool stages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shady Slim View Post
    doing math it seems that six games per pool times four days equals 24 days for the pool play

    issue is that realistically all of the finals would be seperate days which means 16(QF)+8(SF)+4(FF) is more than the pool stages
    My concern is that you would need at least 3-4 days rest between each test. Maybe even longer.(edit oh wait does your 24 days allow for rest time...question)

    I think you might be able to run half of the quarterfinals at the same time though.
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    scheduling it:

    D1-D4
    1v16
    2v15
    3v14
    4v13
    D5-D8 (reckon rest is not necessary as these teams have not played yet)
    8v9
    7v10
    6v11
    5v12
    -3 days-
    D12-D15
    1v8
    2v7
    3v6
    4v5
    -one day-
    D17-D20
    9v16
    10v15
    11v14
    12v13
    -four days-
    D25-D28
    1v9
    2v10
    3v11
    4v12
    -one day-
    D30-D33
    8v16
    7v15
    6v14
    5v13

    and then a few days before the finals

    yeah you're actually right my bad forgetting about rest days

    say there is four days before the quarters then D38-41 are quarters
    D45-48 semis
    D51-54 final
    eh, well that is quite long
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    Good work on the schedule Shady.

    Well the ODI world cup is 43 days so 54 days isn't too much worse. You may also need some reserve days built in - so probably you are talking an even 60 days.

    Another option is to reduce this to a 10 team tournament or a 12 team tournament at most. I don't think I could be bothered watching the blackcaps vs UAE for four days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Good work on the schedule Shady.

    Well the ODI world cup is 43 days so 54 days isn't too much worse. You may also need some reserve days built in - so probably you are talking an even 60 days.

    Another option is to reduce this to a 10 team tournament or a 12 team tournament at most. I don't think I could be bothered watching the blackcaps vs UAE for four days.
    this is also true

    12 would be the best probably with four pools of three with four games/pool so that is going to effectively get rid of D20-D33 reserves notwithstanding

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    -For rain there is a system where the corresponding innings of the next team goes to what ever amount of overs the rain delayed team had
    ----->so effectively if australia bat the first innings but because of rain only get 74 overs, that is what the next team are going to get for the second innings but the third and fourth stay 90
    So if Australia make 368 on day 1
    and then on day 2 Scotland are 3/41 off 22 overs and then it rains all day. What happens?

    Also, if a team gets bowled out before 90 overs, is it stumps?

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    well theoretically if it were say, 37 overs to have a minimum innings, Scotland would get to go to 37 early the very next day, and then the third innings of the aussies would also have 37

    regarding bowling a team out i was thinking of giving bonus overs to the bowling team as a reward but nah, they get to just start their 90 overs then

    well

    unless there is a better option

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    There is a better option, the current Test Match, not some contrived over limited game.
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