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    I feel like the only person who likes the new ODI format...

    Lots of criticism about how high scoring it is, but imo it has only been ridiculous when the teams leading the way come up against the sides stuck in 2005.

    The two new rule ball is awesome. It encourages aggressive bowling tactics, especially since those balls are nice to hit at the death because they're still hard. More swing for longer.

    Wickets in hand are rewarded, but it's still possible to hit out early in the innings if you're good enough. The four semi finalists make batting look impossible when they bowl and bowling look impossible when they bat because they know what they're doing and they have the team structure and plan to do it.

    The only area where the game is a bit unbalanced is you know if a side gets through to the 35th with wickets in hand, the bowlers are going to cop it. On one hand, I think so they bloody well should be smoked for not taking wickets but I see that you need the fielding side to have a chance to come back at any point.

    Death bowling has fallen behind a bit because of that nice hard ball and the fielder rule. Starc is the best death bowler in the world because 150kph swinging yorkers transcend rule changes. Pakistan found some reverse at times (let's face it, it was bottle caps. 20 over old balls don't reverse in Oceania).

    For your every day 130-140kph swing or seam bowler though death bowling is something they need to rethink and they will. They will cotton on to it. A lot of it will probably be just outthinking the batsman and sensing what he's going to do.

    I do love though how good cricket (conservation of wickets being rewarded, excellent early overs hitting against the moving ball, aggressive new ball bowling, picking five proper bowlers) gets rewarded in the new format.

    These days you need four or five cakes in the top five, five bowlers resembling bowlers and not paul collingwood or nathan astle, strike bowlers and a proper spinner. Rank sloggers get owned if they bat too high in the order. Fielding is getting better and better all the time.

    We've had 300 v 300 and 250 v 250 and 220 or whatever it was v 180 at this WC alone. A lot of the whinging about ODIs has come whenever a lesser team has run into SA, Aussie, NZ or India and been pulverised.

    I love modern ODI cricket. Haters can suck it.
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    Completely agree.

    Rewards good bowling and good batting.

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    Rewards bad sloggy hacky batting at the death far too often for my liking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Rewards bad sloggy hacky batting at the death far too often for my liking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Rewards bad sloggy hacky batting at the death far too often for my liking.
    get them in before the death. they have two new balls for a reason.

    or get someone too good (starc is too good, milne too fast, pakistan too everything)

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    I think they've got it mostly right. More than anything else I'd like to see bats regulated. I don't mind the power game that exists now, but it really pisses me off when a mistake like an ugly top edge is rewarded with a six. It's not right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Completely agree.

    Rewards good bowling and good batting.
    Time to point out yet another magnifiecent hendrix contradiction

    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    not really, i just said noone bowls well.

    you don't really have to bowl all that well to get wickets if the batsmen are swinging for the fences in the last 15, those wickets always look jammy as ****.

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    It's better in NZ though. We generally see more swing early which keeps the bowlers in the game. In some places the new ball doesn't swing and with no chance of reverse later it's all pretty easy for the batsman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Time to point out yet another magnifiecent hendrix contradiction
    how on earth is that a contradiction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    how on earth is that a contradiction?
    I seriously need to point out that you saying NZ bowling badly at the death might result in jammy wickets in the death overs is contradictory to another post saying "ODI cricket rewards good batting and bowling"? Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    I seriously need to point out that you saying NZ bowling badly at the death might result in jammy wickets in the death overs is contradictory to another post saying "ODI cricket rewards good batting and bowling"? Really?
    because you have to bat well to actually get to that point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    because you have to bat well to actually get to that point?
    Of course you do. But hendrix said: "you don't really have to bowl all that well to get wickets if the batsmen are swinging for the fences in the last 15". That's contradictory to him saying that the ODI format rewards good cricket . Plain and simple.
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    Basically he's agreeing with me that the death overs reward hackish jammy cricket very often but simultaneously says that modern ODI cricket rewards good play. That doesn't make sense to me.

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    Great analysis.

    I was against the two new ball rule at first because I thought it would take spinners out of the game and encourage pacemen who just bowled filth at top speed all innings.

    Instead, spinners like Vettori and Tahir have just adapted to bowling with a hard ball and are, if anything, more dangerous than ever.

    If anything, it's taken some of the luck factor out of the game because batsmen have to protect their wickets better and for longer and bowling sides can't just rely on dibbly dobblers to go for 4 an over in the middle/late stages because the ball is too old to hit hard and the death hasn't started yet.

    This removal of some of the luck factor has, naturally, expanded the gap between the good sides and the poor ones. I note that both the NZ-Aus and NZ-SA games were exceptionally close, and that many of the games against lesser sides turned into true hidings.

    Tl;dr: I agree that the new format rewards good cricket.

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