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    What next for England??

    England's poor show in the WC is not something that has surprised a lot of people. But what is the reason for their failure? and what next? From what I have seen, they do have the resources, but they aren’t getting the combination right. They do have players who can win games and a few tweaks can give better results.

    Firstly, I don't feel Moeen should be used as an opener. He can score at a brisk pace, but because of his shot selection, there is a chance of him throwing it away quite often against the two new balls. At the same time he is also a touch player who can be good at strike rotation and can make better use of the second powerplay. In T20s its fine, but I don't think in a team like England, you would want to expose a match winner like Moeen against the two new balls. He can be more profitable at number 4.

    I think if England wants an aggressive opener, Lumb and Hales are worth taking risk with. I would go with Lumb because Hales still looks like a WIP player at the moment.

    Morgan looks so confused each time he comes in to bat early. Its clearly visible that he lacks that composure that is required to carry on in the middle order. But he can be useful at number 7, where he can attack with a clear mind.

    James Taylor was doing fine at number 3. Him being shifted to number 6 was a horrible decision. He is someone who is good at playing steady knocks, he cannot come in at 6 and start hitting from ball 1. Taylor is the perfect number 3 for the English side.

    Steven Finn should be out of the team till he gets back his pace. The lengths that he bowls were useful when he regularly crossed 140ks, but at this current pace, he is an easy target for the batsmen. He did look allright once he made a comeback, but was certainly below his best.

    Guys like Samit Patel and James Tredwell are not valued at all. Both of them are very handy ODI players. Tredwell looks like the most impressive spin bowler after Swann. And Patel is a useful left arm spin bowler who also brings in the X-factor with the bat. The selectors need to show some faith in these two guys for the shorter formats. Its baffling that Tredwell isn't given enough opportunities.

    Death bowling is an area of concern for England, Jordan and Woakes can solve the death bowling issues of the team. They can bowl good variations and are not one dimensional like Finn and Broad. With the new rules, most bowlers are going to get a hammering towards, but Jordan and Woakes look good enough for the job. Apart from these two, they need to try a couple of young bowlers, and give them a bit of exposure.

    Stuard Broad hasn’t been that effective, his performances in the last couple of years have been below par despite of playing in conditions that offer something to the bowler. He deserves a bit of a break.

    James Anderson is one of the most skilled bowlers, but I guess he has been overused in recent past, he looks a bit worn out but still warrants a place in the side. He should be used only for selected games I feel.

    Below is my XI according to the batting order,
    1. M. Lumb/Alex Hales
    2. Ian Bell
    3. James Taylor
    4. Moeen Ali
    5. Joe Root
    6. Jos Buttler
    7. Eoin Morgan
    8. Samit Patel/James Tredwell
    9. Chris Jordan
    10. Chris Woakes
    11. James Anderson

    Overall, the above side has a top 3 that is well balanced. A middle order that can not only score runs quickly but spend enough time in the middle overs, and a lower order that is capable of scoring crucial runs. If you look at the bowling, Woakes and Jordan have tremendous potential and can bat when required.

    England should also keep Bopara, Jason Roy and Meaker in the frame. Bopara was one of their better ODI batsmen recently and all of a sudden a few bad performances and he is been written off.

    One more factor would be to give a longer rope to aggressive batsmen like Hales, they cannot improve without experience.
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    Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hill View Post
    Cook
    Bell
    Root
    Pietersen
    Taylor
    Ali
    Buttler
    Stokes
    Broad
    Anderson
    Finn
    Broad and Finn? They seem way off the mark at the moment. They need a break IMO.

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    What next?

    A trip to the West Indies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karan316 View Post
    Broad and Finn? They seem way off the mark at the moment. They need a break IMO.
    I really DGAF enough to care. But I do know they shouldn't have discarded Cook, and Pietersen still playing would make them WC contenders.

    Behind the scenes in English cricket has ****ed up big time.

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    I am English, but there are members of the team that "give it the big un" like they are all time legends of the game when they are not. Cases in point- Pietersen is/was great to watch but can throw his wicket away due to carelessness. Broad is an all or nothing performer, six wickets one day but anonymous for the next five games. Jimmy Anderson is a good swing bowler, acts the tough guy, but goes missing when the heat is on. I could understand them acting like world beaters IF they were of the calibre of Clive Lloyd or Steve Waugh's demolition squads. The whole England set up (management and players) are always talking about the next Ashes series even when one has just finished and view this as the most important thing of all. This is an insult to the other test playing nations. Most of the players are a charmless bunch. England are woeful, delusional and disrespectful and deserve to be unpopular worldwide.

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    beat the west indies and new zealand, hope mitch is still scared of the duke and pretend everything is ok again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hill View Post
    I really DGAF enough to care. But I do know they shouldn't have discarded Cook, and Pietersen still playing would make them WC contenders.

    Behind the scenes in English cricket has ****ed up big time.
    I agree with you on that. Cook and KP should have been in the squad. And yes, appointing Morgan as a captain seems like a weird decision. Not to forget he hasn't been at his best with the bat expect for the century he scored recently. And Morgan doesn't look like a natural captain either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulted View Post
    I am English, but there are members of the team that "give it the big un" like they are all time legends of the game when they are not. Cases in point- Pietersen is/was great to watch but can throw his wicket away due to carelessness. Broad is an all or nothing performer, six wickets one day but anonymous for the next five games. Jimmy Anderson is a good swing bowler, acts the tough guy, but goes missing when the heat is on. I could understand them acting like world beaters IF they were of the calibre of Clive Lloyd or Steve Waugh's demolition squads. The whole England set up (management and players) are always talking about the next Ashes series even when one has just finished and view this as the most important thing of all. This is an insult to the other test playing nations. Most of the players are a charmless bunch. England are woeful, delusional and disrespectful and deserve to be unpopular worldwide.
    Some of your points are correct, but maybe a better selection policy would have worked for them in the WC.
    And if Ashes is of prime importance, then picking specialists for shorter formats can be a good idea. Let a selected bunch of players concentrate on the shorter format and excel in it.
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    Much as it pains me to say it, they need to pick a few more Yorkies

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    I would have played the following team:

    Hales
    Moeen
    Bell
    Root
    Morgan
    Buttler
    Bopara
    Woakes
    Broad
    Treadwell
    Anderson

    I don't understand why England didn't play a specialist spinner like Treadwell. 4 right arm fast medium pacers is not the definition of a 'varied bowling attack'. Treadwell would have brought in a new dimension - either by getting through overs quickly or forcing batsmen to take him on and take their wickets.

    I put in Bopara because he's much more of an ODI player than Taylor or Ballance. Theoretically, Ravi should be the man to either get quick runs at the end or take over an end when the tail is batting. Finally, Ian Bell isn't an ODI opener - he's a #3 if there ever was one. Let the openers get off to a flyer, and if they don't, he can come in and drop anchor.

    Lastly, and perhaps the most important, all England LOI players should be 'forced' to participate in the IPL. Getting to play high pressure games in a foreign country with screaming audiences under the floodlights is a good contrast from a June afternoon at Trent Bridge. The moment Jos Buttler tries 5 IPL chases (whether successful or not), he will finally be ready to chase as he was meant to vs Bangladesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by karan316 View Post
    I agree with you on that. Cook and KP should have been in the squad.
    Cook possibly but no way for KP, he's been **** since 2009 for crying out loud.
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    For me they needed to look at the lads that played in the big bash. Bresnan, KP, Carberry, Lumb, Stokes, Wright and Hales all had experience and did well in a t20 tournement in Australia just before the world cup, and none played. Bell at the top is too selfish and goes missing when it matters. James Taylor I'm not overly sold on just yet either, and if Bopara isn't going to bowl he isn't worth his place. I'd of gone with something like

    Luke Wright
    Hales
    Carberry
    Root
    Ali
    Butler
    Morgan
    Bresnan
    Rashid/Broad
    Treadwell
    Anderson

    Broad is fresh back from an injury with no match practice, he needed some time to build match fitness.
    Looking at that team theres a lot of firepower, and down to 9 is very handy with the bat. There's a wrist spinner, a full time offy (plus Moeen and Root) and Luke Wright is handy with the ball. The side England went with was 4 tall, right arm seamers, all around the same pace, bowlig back of a length. On awful pitches like the ones in Aus that was always going to be a disaster. Couple that with batsman aiming to set a score that would of been good 10 years ago, and you've had it
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Much as it pains me to say it, they need to pick a few more Yorkies
    Unfortunately our best OD players happen to be an Aussie and a Kiwi.

    Don't get me wrong I love the Yorks team for the long form stuff but for ODIs England should have been giving blokes like Roy and Vince a go not batting blokes like Ballance out of position and out of form. Yorks have some bowlers coming through who might be better in the long run but as for batsman well our best one if probably Bairstow. Leaning might come through in a few years though with some luck.
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