Is Warne better than Muralitharan?

[twctopcat]

Apparently murali's new wrongun is pretty much unreadable,comes out of the hand virtually exactly the same as the offy. Even though england managed to hold him off in the first 2 tests against sri lanka last year, they still admitted they couldnt read it. However you get days like headingley '01 where warne gets hit around by butcher etc, don't think ive ever seen that happen to murali.

 

[Tom Halsey]

don't think ive ever seen that happen to murali.

Yeah, it happens.

In the match in that series, when England needed 50 to win off 6 overs, Vaughnie and Tres got hold of him.

 

[Rik]

Murali will always be known for being a suspected 'chucker' but Warne will always be remembered for the way he bowled Mike Gatting in his first ashes match.

Murali bowled a very similer ball that was every bit as good to Mark Butcher a few years ago in England. Personally I'd say Murali's the best spinner, better record in just about every sense. I think people rate Warne ahead of him because they think Murali chucks or just don't understand him, but everything points to Murali.

 

[twctopcat]

Yeah, it happens.

In the match in that series, when England needed 50 to win off 6 overs, Vaughnie and Tres got hold of him.

Hmmm,don't know about that. England only had 1 ODI last year against them last year and got whooped, as for the test matches murali went for about 1.5 an over the whole time. The only bowlers tres and vaughan went after were vaas and fernando-the quickies, cause they knew they couldnt get any off murali!

 

[Neil Pickup]

Tom's referring to the Third Test in Summer 2002 after Gilo cleaned up the tail and we knocked the runs off when Sanath's field settings went to pieces.

 

[twctopcat]

Ooops, how wrong i was!:O Still think he's awesome though.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Sorry, should have made it clearer what match I was waffling on about. :P

 

[marc71178]

Personally I'd say Murali's the best spinner, better record in just about every sense. I think people rate Warne ahead of him because they think Murali chucks or just don't understand him, but everything points to Murali.

I couldn't agree more - some people cannot accept genius!!!

 

[Tom Halsey]

And some other people cannot accept that Murali plays way over half of his games in the Subcontinent, and away from there, he is not as useful.

 

[Rik]

And some other people cannot accept that Murali plays way over half of his games in the Subcontinent, and away from there, he is not as useful.

Bit of a mistake there! Come on we know he plays a lot of his games in the Subcontinent, but that's because he's from there! Why not go any look at Warne's record in the Subcontinent and then explain to us why Murali playing over there all the time is such an advantage when Warne can't seem to bowl on those surfaces, which are perfect for spinners...

As for Murali's record away from home, it's not as impressive no, but it's not the worst I've seen.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Bit of a mistake there! Come on we know he plays a lot of his games in the Subcontinent, but that's because he's from there!

Well, duh. :P

Warne on the subcontinent, all his bad performances there, with the exception of India '01, were around the time of his shoulder injury.

 

[marc71178]

And some other people cannot accept that Murali plays way over half of his games in the Subcontinent, and away from there, he is not as useful.

Murali in Asia - 373 @ 21.49, Away from Asia 108 @ 28.83
Warne in Asia - 76 @ 28.47, Away from Asia 415 @ 25.20

 

[aussie_beater]

It was his first ball in the Ashes.

His first in Test cricket was on a very long subcontintental tour he finished with 1 wicket @ 374 or something...

Warne's first test was in Sydney against India in 1991. India piled on around 500 runs in that match with Warne taking 1 wicket for 150 odd runs. Warne was taken apart by Ravi Shastri and Sachin with Shastri scoring a double hundred.

 

[Salamuddin]

I really hope Murali tours Australia this year.

Last time he toured he was abused by a number of fans on the boundary. Hope that doesn't happen again.

We want to see a genius in action.

 

[DT8]

Yeh apparently on his 2nd tour to AUS, some guy went up to him and goes "hey can i have your autograph chucker?"

 

[DT8]

I really hope Murali tours Australia this year.

I think he might just come for the Darwin test because he hasn't had problems with crowds up there.

 

[Richard]

i think in the series where sri lanka came to england england had murali worked out. if he off spins it so much then just tuck him away on the leg side. warne, the better bowler.

As has been said, those Tests don't really mean that much because Murali was quite badly injured. Murali's wrong-'uns have been better since about early 2003 than they were previously.

 

[Richard]

Apparently murali's new wrongun is pretty much unreadable,comes out of the hand virtually exactly the same as the offy. Even though england managed to hold him off in the first 2 tests against sri lanka last year, they still admitted they couldnt read it. However you get days like headingley '01 where warne gets hit around by butcher etc, don't think ive ever seen that happen to murali.

Everyone gets hit around in some games.
But yes, Murali's wrong-'un is unpickable.

 

[Richard]

Murali bowled a very similer ball that was every bit as good to Mark Butcher a few years ago in England. Personally I'd say Murali's the best spinner, better record in just about every sense. I think people rate Warne ahead of him because they think Murali chucks or just don't understand him, but everything points to Murali.

Personally I'd say the Murali-Butcher ball wasn't quite as good as the Warne-Gatting one, but one delivery doesn't make a bowler. Warne has only ever really produced one other like the Gatting ball, to Gibbs in the semi of WC1999.
I too think people are insistant on rating Warne above Murali because they have these silly qualms about his action.
Personally I don't think there's any significant difference.

 

[Richard]

Murali bowled a very similer ball that was every bit as good to Mark Butcher a few years ago in England. Personally I'd say Murali's the best spinner, better record in just about every sense. I think people rate Warne ahead of him because they think Murali chucks or just don't understand him, but everything points to Murali.

Personally I'd say the Murali-Butcher ball wasn't quite as good as the Warne-Gatting one, but one delivery doesn't make a bowler. Warne has only ever really produced one other like the Gatting ball, to Gibbs in the semi of WC1999.
I too think people are insistant on rating Warne above Murali because they have these silly qualms about his action.
Personally I don't think there's any significant difference.