david warner v matthew hayden

[Justo]

Do you really believe that the attacks that you mention are better than the ones that I mentioned? Pfft

Its another matter of course, as ZinZan mentioned, that Hayden was scarred so badly early on in his career by good bowlers that he took a long time coming back

I don't think it was a matter of his confidence being shattered. Australia had plenty of other opening options to give chances to (Taylor, Slater, Elliot, Langer etc) and Hayden had to both force himself back into the side and wait for them to drop off before getting another chance.

 

[GIMH]

Nah, in general the English rate Hayden lower than other supporters, and a lot of the cricket posters here are English. You'd get a very different perspective on Hayden from the Indians, just see this thread.

I guess it's that natural thing people do of skewing players' performances against their own side when rating them. Hence the Aussies would always seem to rate Vaughan higher than most.

 

[JBMAC]

I guess it's that natural thing people do of skewing players' performances against their own side when rating them. Hence the Aussies would always seem to rate Vaughan higher than most.

Inclined to lean to this idea. Having said it though do you feel sometimes those supporters of Sub-continent cricket don't appear to be so open minded?

 

[NUFAN]

yaeh but when hayden entered pretty much everybody had good attacks

SA had fannie D, Donald, (Pollock would follow soon), Ambrose, Walsh, Wasim, Waqar, even India had Srinath (India's ATG), zim had streak (?) and brandes.

So while there is one very good attack these days, the others aren't really comparable (although England is better these days with Anderson/Braod)

Lol. Saying Zim had Brandes when Hayden entered is such a worthless fact.

Anyway, the kind of cool thing is that after 33 Test matches Warner is averaging 50.05. Hayden after 33, was averaging exactly 50. However, Hayden's 34th Test was the famous Nasser bowl first Test where Jones got injured, Matt the bat scored 197 and 103

 

[uvelocity]

davey will double it

 

[BoyBrumby]

Lol. Saying Zim had Brandes when Hayden entered is such a worthless fact.

Anyway, the kind of cool thing is that after 33 Test matches Warner is averaging 50.05. Hayden after 33, was averaging exactly 50. However, Hayden's 34th Test was the famous Nasser bowl first Test where Jones got injured, Matt the bat scored 197 and 103

Ha, good stattage.

Must be said tho Hayden was in his absolute cups then (obviously Warner is somewhere near his just now too, tbf) but the NSWelshman has time on his side. He'd be, what, four years younger than the big chap was in 02/03?

 

[Teja.]

Since the beginning of 2010, Steyn and Philander have 326 wickets @ 21 each between them and Morkel has 143 @ 27.9 to add. Anderson and Broad at home (where they're incredibly strong) have 278 wickets @ 24 in that period with 100 more from Graeme Swann at 28 and even their other bowlers taken plenty at under 30. Harris has 105 at 23, Johnson 137 @ 27 with Pattinson and Siddle adding another 180 with bowling averages in the period @ 27 and 29. Roach has 90 @ 25 as well. Since Boult's debut, Southee and Boult have 180+ wickets @ 26-change between them.

Yes, this isn't as insanely good as the early 90s but is a better period for quality fast bowlers than most times in cricket history and blows the 00s out of the water where a lot of the quality pacers were out injured most of the time. Tests against SA/Eng/NZ/Aus, particularly at home are incredibly tough on batting techniques of openers and Warner's performances have to be lauded.

 

[viriya]

Picking Warner over Hayden right now is just heresy.. give it 3 years he only just had one good year.

 

[longranger]

I think it is way too premature to compare the two. Hayden played 103 tests and Warner has only played 33. Warner could go on to become the best test opener of all time, or he could just go on to be someone with many up and down spells.

 

[Geoffboycott]

Sorry but this is clearly Matty hayden. Davie has a long way to go.

 

[ImpatientLime]

Hayden did play significantly better attacks in the beginning of his career didn't he?

'play' is probably being a tad kind to hayden.

 

[Spikey]

the main thing i've learnt from this thread is that matthew hayden has played more tests than david warner. this has come as a shock to me

 

[uvelocity]

gravey yet to release a cookbook. hope it revolves around what goes well with gravy onnit