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You Are The Umpire
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Biryani Pillow
U19 Vice-Captain
1. Not out: The umpire can only give a batsman out on appeal. If there is no appeal, or if the appeal is withdrawn, the umpire cannot give the batsman out. If he batsman chooses to retire that is a different matter and would be allowed.
2. An interesting one but I would disagree with John Holder here. The fact that the bail 'might' land back in the groove is, for me, irrelevant. The wicket has been broken and if a fielder catches the bail it remains broken.
3. As long as I am able to identify the batsman as he takes the crease (to be assured he has not batted earlier) what he is wearing is matter for him. I might express a concern if I thought it might compromise his personal safety but that is all. If it were a League game I would also note it in my post match report in case the league Executive wished to raise it with the Club. One team which I tend to se at least 3 times a season contains identical twins. Luckily one bats left handed, the other right but it is an interesting question in that situation if an incident happened when you needed to know which is which,
2. An interesting one but I would disagree with John Holder here. The fact that the bail 'might' land back in the groove is, for me, irrelevant. The wicket has been broken and if a fielder catches the bail it remains broken.
3. As long as I am able to identify the batsman as he takes the crease (to be assured he has not batted earlier) what he is wearing is matter for him. I might express a concern if I thought it might compromise his personal safety but that is all. If it were a League game I would also note it in my post match report in case the league Executive wished to raise it with the Club. One team which I tend to se at least 3 times a season contains identical twins. Luckily one bats left handed, the other right but it is an interesting question in that situation if an incident happened when you needed to know which is which,
Cabinet96
Global Moderator
LOL at the only guy on CW who is an umpire scoring 0/3
Biryani Pillow
U19 Vice-Captain
That is only the view of John Holder on these matters.
It is not stated in the Laws of the game.
FWIW a lot of the answers he has given on his TMS slot have been questioned by umpire trainers and examiners.
On the first one you may give a decision which you are sure is correct but a player may see something you didn't. So you being 'sure' doesn't matter.
On the second one he is speculating on what might happen - not something you should do.
With the third one the fact that you may not like it is no reason for saying the batsman can't wear it. It is his opinion that he wouldn't allow it but there is nothing in the Laws that supports him.
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Biryani Pillow
U19 Vice-Captain
1. The ball becomes dead upon lodging in the clothing.Enjoyed have a go at those. Favourite is number 1 here
Who the **** would do that? My answer was 'give him out for being such a colossal bellend'
2. As long as the ball hasn't hit the ground it is out on appeal.
3. As long as the second hit isn't 'wilful' there is no problem.
Magrat Garlick
Global Moderator
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silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
It has happened in a Test match even. I can't remember which one but I'm pretty sure I've seen it. Its not out.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Yeah but if it's going over the keepers shoulder and he catches it it's not going to land back in the groove is it
TNT
Banned
Its not because the bail could land back into the grooves but because the keeper has interfered with the wickets, the line has been crossed.
TNT
Banned
Don't understand this response, the umpire has the right to accept an appeal, this would depend a lot on why the captain withdrew the appeal, it could be they don't believe the catch was on the full, they may think the batsman was not ready or distracted by a fielder, the umpire would have to enquire why the captain requested the withdrawal and then make the decision from there, it could go either way.
England had no right to ask India to withdraw their appeal and the appeal must come before the player leaves the field.
Athlai
Not Terrible
TNT
Banned
Taking defensive action to prevent injury was not the question though, if a batsman interferes with a fielder taking a catch he will be given out even if the fielder may not have taken the catch. i.e if the striker lobs the ball over the bowlers head and the bowler turns to run after the catch and the non striker deliberately blocks the bowler he can be given out even if the bowler did not have a real chance of catching the ball.