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***Official*** England in Sri Lanka 2014
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marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
No thank you
YorksLanka
International Debutant
What about the others then?
YorksLanka
International Debutant
Probably not but who knows? Don't really get your point mate?In our conditions, it does suit and gives us the opportunity to try out different spin options- everyone knows we don't have much stock in terms of quicks so we can afford to be choosy in terms of spinners. Don't forget the wickets will be managed by the ICC as well as the respective boards so wouldn't surprise me if there is a bit of spin in them...
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YorksLanka
International Debutant
Fair enough mate, probably BUT the problem we have is we don't have three world class pacers and so maybe the thinking is that teams from outside the sc generally tend to struggle against spin so ,maybe we should play to our strengths rather than the oppositions.. I am not disagreeing with you, just saying I think opposition teams will easily deal with our pacers whereas our spinners should be tougher to handle..
Seems the 2nd pacer was used as the 6th bowler and did not bowl his full quota.That is mind less captaincy.
Yes the spinners are doing their job,as they did the first.
But turn will not be an issue downunder.
Forward planning in order,Bangladesh playing 3 speedsters.
Yes the spinners are doing their job,as they did the first.
But turn will not be an issue downunder.
Forward planning in order,Bangladesh playing 3 speedsters.
Adders
Cricketer Of The Year
England need to focus on the task at hand........I don't think they have the luxury or are in any position to be thinking ahead of the game they are currently playing.
In terms of preparation for the WC the most important thing they can gain here is by learning how to win games of cricket.
Maximas
Cricketer Of The Year
Matthews and Thisara give us some extra pace options that may mean we only end up needing two specialists pace bowlers, Prasad being one, Malinga being the other if fit but we rather quickly need to settle on someone else in case he isn't or if the selectors want 3 pacers after all.
Maximas
Cricketer Of The Year
Depends on what roles will be given to which bowlers, and which bowlers we have available, if Senanyake comes back and is back close to a level he was at in England, then we have a pressure overs bowler, if we get a fit and firing Malinga then we have a death specialist, if that's the case then we can confidently pick Herath and tell him to wheel through 10 overs through the middle and go for about 1/45 each time after Matthews and Prasad take the new pill, however without those key players back it's going to be tough with two spinners, especially given Ajantha Mendis will no doubt become one of them
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
You look at the stats for the this year or so and it's all much of a muchness for the bats. Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo. Nearly all are just above or below the 30 average mark. That's just poor all round. You need your experienced players Cook, Bell, Bopara, Morgan putting in the good performances but they average 29,34, 29,28 respectively. Compare that to their average since the last wc - 39,39,35,37 That's hardly great although Morgan and Bopara's figures are helped by their strike rates of 91 and 86 respectively ++ Bopara's bowling.
It's all compounded by the fact that the bowling reserves when the first choice lineup aren't there (which is nearly the whole time) is just awful.
It's all compounded by the fact that the bowling reserves when the first choice lineup aren't there (which is nearly the whole time) is just awful.
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ImpatientLime
International Regular
there is also a strange reluctance to drop the established order who continually fail in favour of the few who have gunned recently in domestic cricket (taylor, hales).
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
A long time ago on here I posted about what I considered to be the best stats to predict player ODI success.
Anyway, I set my criteria for the 2014 players and this is the team which has been spat out. I can handle people saying it is ****. I dont claim it is right. There isnt much point going through the methodology. The point being is that the England team are **** and we can predict they will be **** given the team selected - Only 4 of the team from the last ODI made the mark and only 3 are selected below - Buttler, Tredwell and Finn (Bopara just missed but included as no one else who fit that role qualified.)
This isnt my team of choice - purely what the numbers suggested - but Id give it more of a chance of winning than the current England team who are not built or designed to win long term.
1. Alex Hales
2. Gary Ballance
3. Varun Chopra
4. James Taylor
5. Mark Stoneman
6. Jos Buttler (wkt)
7. Ravi Bopara
8. Steven Mullaney
9. James Tredwell
10. James Anderson
11. Steven Finn
Also qualify but perhaps unlucky to miss out.
Alastair Cook
Sam Billings
Stephen Parry
I agree bowling reserves are thin but the selectors dont help themselves. Just because the perfect option isnt available doesnt mean mean they can pick god damn awful bowlers with no chance to do well.
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
This does just look like a team international cricket captain churns out a year after the game starts. 3 openers playing but Ballance gets the nod.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
It's not that strange really. You build for a world cup and as a team they did pretty well upto the part where they lost the Champions trophy last year. A lot of time and development went into lots of the players playing for 4 years then to discard them 3 months before a world cup is a tough call to make. Saying that Cook just looks hopeless right now. Hales looked equally hopeless against India but still should have been given a longer opportunity.
Either way they are stuffed. Stay with the same team and there is just no confidence and Cook is an anchor weighing down the whole team. Change it and bring in 3 or 4 players and I'm fairly sure they'd even more epically fail because the players in reserve just aren't that good. Least they'd have the experience though.
People tend to overvalue players who haven't played international cricket. England lions lost twice comfortably last summer to NZ A at home but it seemed most on twitter would have preferred the lineup the lions put out to the one England put out.
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Fwiw I think England should have made changes two or so years ago. Now it's too basically too late to make a change. If Hales was in two years ago he could have been bedded in by now (or failed). Instead they brought Bell back into the squad and tbf he did reasonably well - but with Cook and Trott already at the top of the order they had created a problem they didn't need to make. They just shouldn't have brought him back given the composition of the top order.
Now make changes or not but it's too late and they have no hope.
It comes down to skills though. It's not really lack of aggresion or lack of strength to hit boundaries. The England players just lack basic ODI skills. It likely stems from county cricket and the role that od and t20 plays in the schedule. It's a second thought after the championship. There is limited preparation time, players are tired from championship cricket ... etc.
Now make changes or not but it's too late and they have no hope.
It comes down to skills though. It's not really lack of aggresion or lack of strength to hit boundaries. The England players just lack basic ODI skills. It likely stems from county cricket and the role that od and t20 plays in the schedule. It's a second thought after the championship. There is limited preparation time, players are tired from championship cricket ... etc.