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    These are some really good gets watson. Top work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    After a bit of detective work I think that I've found Fazal Mahmood in action!
    Unfortunately the footage has no sound so there is no commentator to tell you who is bowling.

    However, the footage shows a right arm medium-fast bowler bowling a couple of overs to Sobers and Hunte (?) during day 5 of the West Indies V Pakistan Test, Sabina Park 1958.

    The scorecard shows that the Pakistan bowlers were;

    Fazal Mahmood (right-arm medium fast)
    SF Rehman (leg-break)
    Nasim ul Ghani (left-arm medium)
    Haseeb Ahsan (off-break)
    Abdul Kardar (left-arm orthodox)

    4th Test: West Indies v Pakistan at Georgetown, Mar 13-19, 1958 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Therefore, Fazal Mahmood must be the bowler in action by exclusion. The quality of the film is quite good, so definitely worth a look.



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    Awesome.

    Could you try and dig up footage of Khan Mohammad? Averaged 23 and formed a potent new ball pairing with Fazal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    After a bit of detective work I think that I've found Fazal Mahmood in action!
    Unfortunately the footage has no sound so there is no commentator to tell you who is bowling.

    However, the footage shows a right arm medium-fast bowler bowling a couple of overs to Sobers and Hunte (?) during day 5 of the West Indies V Pakistan Test, Sabina Park 1958.

    The scorecard shows that the Pakistan bowlers were;

    Fazal Mahmood (right-arm medium fast)
    SF Rehman (leg-break)
    Nasim ul Ghani (left-arm medium)
    Haseeb Ahsan (off-break)
    Abdul Kardar (left-arm orthodox)

    4th Test: West Indies v Pakistan at Georgetown, Mar 13-19, 1958 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Therefore, Fazal Mahmood must be the bowler in action by exclusion. The quality of the film is quite good, so definitely worth a look.



    WEST INDIES CRICKET RECORD BY SOBERS - NO SOUND | AP Archive
    Thanks for this watson. Fazal was such a gun. He was the Imran before Imran. Quite the heart throb of that era and such a gentleman as well.
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    Actually,I just noticed something. The bowler in the beginning of that clip definitely isn't Fazal. The guy who bowls with that slow leg-cutterish action after around 1:30 of the clip is. I'm 100% positive. I have some tapes of Sobers' old innings, and I'm sure that's him. Had an ungainly sort of action and was more medium pace than quick.

    And looking at this photo of his, it matches up with that footage after 1:30 pretty accurately.



    Have no idea who the quicker looking bowler is though.

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    I think it was Khan Mohammad.

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    I thought so too, but according to the scorecard, Khan Mohammad didn't play that match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Actually,I just noticed something. The bowler in the beginning of that clip definitely isn't Fazal. The guy who bowls with that slow leg-cutterish action after around 1:30 of the clip is. I'm 100% positive. I have some tapes of Sobers' old innings, and I'm sure that's him. Had an ungainly sort of action and was more medium pace than quick.

    And looking at this photo of his, it matches up with that footage after 1:30 pretty accurately.



    Have no idea who the quicker looking bowler is though.
    It has to be Fazal though, doesn't it? Who else could it be? The guy at 1:30 onwards could be SF Rehman I guess.

    Because watson has the correct test match and the correct day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    It has to be Fazal though, doesn't it? Who else could it be? The guy at 1:30 onwards could be SF Rehman I guess.

    Because watson has the correct test match and the correct day.
    I'm 99% sure that the guy at 1:30 is Fazal. Anyway, just look at that photo, it's identical to his action in the video.

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    A scorecard around 1:34 mark shows Khan Mohammad played the match. I guess the opening burst was from K Mohammad and Fazal appears after
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    Yeah I'm suspicious Watson may have referenced the wrong match there.

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    Yeah, think the website got the dates wrong somehow.

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    Still, seems we got both Fazal and Khan on video. Gold.

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    Exactly. Bonus.

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    Hey what do you, know, the video watson provided was actually this match

    3rd Test: West Indies v Pakistan at Kingston, Feb 26-Mar 4, 1958 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    It's the game where Sobers got the 365 to set the new record. The scorecard matches up with the one you can see if you pause the video at 1:34.

    So, the first bowler is almost certainly Khan Mohammad, as none of the other bowlers in the scorecard match Khan's description. And the medium-pace-cutter bowler seen a bit later is Fazal.

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