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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post

    As for the ton, I went back and watched that, but can't figure out what TPC means. I thought it might be the grounds, but I checked, and the fifth Test was played at Sydney Cricket Grounds, right?

    What I can figure out is that Dan is an Aussie.
    Dan is indeed an Aussie.....though we mostly try not to hold that against him.

    As for TPC, as Dan the Man has clarified it stands for The Peoples Champ.....aka know as Steve Smith. And you should know that by "The People" we are talking about 1/2 dozen or so CW members who share a rather strange (and to be honest worrying) obsession with him. See this thread Pictures of Steve Smith and make up your own mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    And Ike, this is the most famous "leave" of all time



    First TPC, now 70 seconds of people talking before anything actually happens.

    You guys are doing a really good job of selling the game here.
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    Shall we post "Fire in Babylon" then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Shall we post "Fire in Babylon" then?
    It's a pretty rubbish film if you expect it to teach you anything. Denies the existence of good Windies players/teams before the one it wanted to talk about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    And Ike, this is the most famous "leave" of all time

    [Gatting Ball]
    That's not a leave.

    This is a leave.

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    Yeah. I don't why I had Gatting pegged as leaving the ball. Probably my memory of Andrew Strauss doing so.
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    Sorry, Ike. Wrong info. But this is another delivery by Shane Warne, where the batsman leaves the ball. And this is a leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    First TPC, now 70 seconds of people talking before anything actually happens.

    You guys are doing a really good job of selling the game here.
    If he dislikes that, might as well get out of this racket right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Sorry, Ike. Wrong info. But this is another delivery by Shane Warne, where the batsman leaves the ball. And this is a leave.
    That one was just astonishing, probably one of the best bowls ever. How Warne ended up on the losing side of that series is incredible. Here's a similar bowl:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    GIMH to claim the footage is doctored and none of that ever actually occurred. Like 2006/07.
    What footage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    It's a pretty rubbish film if you expect it to teach you anything. Denies the existence of good Windies players/teams before the one it wanted to talk about.
    Yeah that really annoyed me. Basically dismissed anyone before the Viv-Holding-Roberts era as show ponies who were all style and no substance and were only good for entertainment and not as actual competitors.

    That bugger Colin Croft actually says in the film with regards to that famous series down under in the 60s that the West indies teamggot standing ovations from the crowd for "losing". It's not like they competed intensely in arguably the greatest series ever played. Wonder how Sobers, Hall and the others felt about the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    What footage?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkwhvfbXLps#t=4883
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    Wow... so much to respond to. Spent a half hour just watching the videos. Have to start with Warne. I've heard of him, of course, and heard him in the commentators' box even, but I didn't know the specifics. Plus I assumed he was a seamer. Foolish or not, I picture great Aussie (or English) bowlers as seamers, and the great spinners seem to be predominantly subcontinent. (As with everything else, please correct my misconceptions.) So when I saw the Gattling ball, I was all the more shocked. Maybe it wasn't properly a leave, since Gattling weakly waved at it, but it's the most amazing delivery I've ever seen. The leave by Strauss was an amazing spinner too (and fascinating that those two famous deliveries were Warne's first and 100th wickets in England!), but what makes the Gattling delivery so unbelievable to me was the swing before the spin. The angle the ball made, before and after pitching, has to be the largest (measured obtusely) or the smalled (measured acutely) ever, no? Btw, I've sent a copy of the 4 minute video to my two sons who have gotten into cricket with me, along with the wiki article on it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_of_the_Century).

    As for 70 seconds of talk, that was great. Hell, the actual full speed clips I can hardly keep up with. I can't typically figure out what happened unless they do a slow motion, or I replay the clip 4-5 times. The discussion gives an idea of what's coming, as well as context. Much easier to appreciate than the Test highlight reel, which I was constantly rewinding 2-3 times per clip I wanted to see. We old folks don't have fast eyes, alas. Anyway, kudos to harsh for appreciating that.

    Where to go next? Well, briefly, I still don't know what the "lol Jonny Bairstow" reference means. And one more comment on fielder positions: during the 3rd WI-Bang ODI (I think; but may have been an English county playoff match or one of the women's match) I heard a commentator mention another position I hadn't heard before, and which also is not on the cricinfo diagram: short mid-wicket. Easily understandable, but I'd never heard it before. Is it uncommon to hear that term?

    Also, I've figured out Howe_zat is English.

    As for Steven Smith, is TPC a forum thing only? I did a lot of googling and couldn't find the phrase anywhere in relation to him. And 17 pages for a picture thread? Wow. But I can see why Aussies would like him. His "boyish" good looks, and sort of goofy expression (no disrespect intended by that). In fact, he reminds me quite a bit of "Nuke" LaLoosh in the baseball movie Bull Durham, and that's a complement too. Don't know if many cricketers know of the movie, since it's entirely centered on American baseball. (It did get one Oscar nomination, for best original screenplay.) I don't particularly recommend it here, since you really need to have some feel for baseball to understand many parts of it, and if you do know baseball, you probably already know the movie, lol.

    As for backward leg fielding restrictions, yes, I'm familiar with them and the original of the rule from the Bodyline controversy in 32-33. In fact, there's a great anecdote about the rule in the little book I've read, The Wit of Cricket (Johnston). Don't know what the rules are for quoting, but I'll quote a bit. If it has to be deleted, it's on page 9 of the paperback edition (Hodder & Stoughton Ltd, 2010. Well, just read the copyright paragraph at the front, better not copy it here. But if you don't know it, check out page 9. It's an anecdote by Dickie Bird.

    As for long stop and the fielding restriction, I'd think it would depend if the fielder was on the leg or off side. If directly behind and so on both sides, I would guess he'd be counted as one of the two permissible, no?

    As for Fire in Babylon, thanks for mentioning it! In fact, it lead me to start another thread about cricket movies. Of course, that may require nothing more than a redirect to some other thread that's already covered that, but either way I'll try to find the movies that are recommended and watch them. As for Fire in Babylon, any film that belittles players like Sobers is seriously flawed, but I know I'll like it--I've found it on YouTube, but haven't had time to watch it yet. I'll enjoy it for what it shows of the great Windies players of the 70s and 80s. By the way, which series is "arguably the greatest series ever played" (Windies vs England? in the 60s)? Perhaps I can find video of that one too, although from back then, it would probably be of poor quality alas.

    Anyway, thanks again for all the info! You guys are great!

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    Pleasure reading your posts.

    Yeah, the drift is what made the Gatting delivery so amazing. And it really had to be perfect to get a wicket without kind of ball. It had to drift in the air exactly the right amount into Gatting to get the ball in the blind spot beneath his foot, it had to spin long enough for it to miss his bat and pad and it also had to not spin too much to miss the stumps. There's a great quote about the ball from Martin Johnson : "How anyone can spin the ball the width of Gatting boggles the mind"

    And if you're wondering about the fast bowlers equivalent of the Ball of the Century, it's probably Wasim to Dravid at Chennai in 1999.



    It's not just the swing but how he sets Dravid up with the previous two deliveries.
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    And that series I mentioned was West Indies vs Australia 1961
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