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    Even if one concedes, for the sake of argument, that Anderson and Broad have been as unplayable as Wasim & Waqar, Moeen's 19 wickets in four and a half tests suggests that the weakness against swing isn't the only thing.
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    Of course it's justified to bag a line up that's not scoring runs. They've been awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Of course it's justified to bag a line up that's not scoring runs. They've been awful.
    'Aweful' is a pretty accurate word to describe the batting. One Indian newspaper has also used 'shambolic';

    Like Old Trafford, the Indian top-order, put up a shambolic display in the first session of the first day’s play. The resourceful Indian batting order can’t buy a run. Mental jadedness, perhaps? Or rigours of the five-Test series? The downward spiral with respect to their form has hurt India the most. Here’s where Dhoni – the batsman has stepped up and showed the way to the team.

    The Indian captain has batted for more than 19 hours in the Test series – a pursuit inconceivable at the start of the series. This has been the most successful series for Dhoni in terms of runs scored – 349 in nine innings. He’s faced 704 balls – the most he has faced in a series. On day one of The Oval Test, Dhoni scored 82 runs out of India’s total of 148 – 55.41 per cent of the runs – becoming the first Indian captain to score more than half of his side’s runs in an innings.

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    However, good on Dhoni for showing the top order how it's done.
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    rahane no, kohli definitely. pujara maybe.

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    I think it's hard for batsman in long series against good bowling attacks. Think we saw that a bit with England in the Ashes. Sides work out plans and once they get on top it can be pretty hard to get out as a batsman with no games against different opposition or extended breaks to work on technical things.

    India's batsman did well in SA and NZ in two tests, and started OK here, but it's just gone to pits last two and a half tests.
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    All the criticism of Pujara and Kohli is justified.

    They are young and should learn from this and get better, but by any standards this was an awful tour for the two of them.

    Maybe the compressed nature of this series (no other 5 test tour has ever been this short) could have been a factor. Worth keeping that in mind when comparing these guys to Dravid and co. in their first few overseas tours - the lack of time between matches means it's basically impossible to iron out technical flaws, and the schedule is more mentally draining.

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    This isn't the most compressed 5 test series ever.
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    Over the last two trips, the bowlers have inspired to an extent and against the odds; now they will need to make it a bit of a norm. They can't afford for the intensity to drop in - at 42 days from start to finish - the most compressed five-Test series England has ever hosted.
    Shortest in England ever, not of all time. My bad. Point still valid tho.

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    I think Rahane and Vijay are perhaps being a bit unjustly criticised at times because their failures have coincided with everyone else batting terribly as well. Looking at their series in general without the context of the massive collapses we've seen from the third Test on, they've both been okay. You're not going to score in every game of every series -- they scored runs early on, then when the failed the team really struggled.

    In a typical series, when they failed someone else usually would've scored some runs, or their runs would've been more spread out throughout the series. They were carrying the batting early on and they deserve credit for that, even if England didn't bowl quite as well in the first couple of Tests.

    Pujara, Kohli, Gambhir, Dhawan and Rohit have been awful though, and it's completely fair to criticise them as such. It's obviously silly to extrapolate that into them being awful in general, however.

    I think it's a combination of a few of things -- Pujara and Kohli just happening to have poor series (which everyone has) at the same time, Anderson and Broad bowling really well from the third Test onwards, the conditions being a bit alien and the mental rigours of a five Test series compounding some issues as they so often do.
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    I actually can't remember a visiting team to England batting worse. Maybe Bangladesh once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NasserFan207 View Post
    I actually can't remember a visiting team to England batting worse. Maybe Bangladesh once.
    They've won a match for crying out loud. Of course there have been worse teams.
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