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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Ftr Harsh, why did you consider Pollock a bowler as oppose to an allrounder? Bloke has plenty of runs at a solid average (comparable to Cairns or Haddin, for example). Bit weirded out by the criteria.
    I don't know. You are right perhaps. But I have always thought of Pollock as a bowler in tests. Don't know why. Maybe because he became an all-rounder later on, and didn't win matches with the bat per se. Tbh, I think I would rate even Hadlee, Benaud, Davidson as bowlers, but I recognize I should not be using my own criteria in the context of a draft like this. Honest overlook.
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    Well I compared spinner to spinner which I won, and then Reid v Amir becomes pretty even on the lost talent side of things. Also you don't need Armstrong's bowling when Kallis gets in the team.

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    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Hammond
    Tendulkar
    Kallis
    Walcott
    Gilchrist
    Hadlee
    Lindwall
    Turner
    O'Reilly

    So Howe has 7 in the XI but I reckon only 8 of a 15 man squad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    I don't know. You are right perhaps. But I have always thought of Pollock as a bowler in tests. Don't know why. Maybe because he became an all-rounder later on, and didn't win matches with the bat per se. Tbh, I think I would rate even Hadlee, Benaud, Davidson as bowlers, but I recognize I should not be using my own criteria in the context of a draft like this. Honest overlook.
    I'm not going to argue this one too much because on second thoughts using records is actually pretty useless for the question anyway. Scoring a few runs doesn't really change whether or not someone is picked as a bowler alone (consider Swann, G) for the same reasons that not scoring runs wouldn't change whether or not someone is picked as a batsman (consider Hughes, P). If you came to the conclusion that Pollock didn't have any batting responsibility in Tests then I'll go with that.

    I definitely wouldn't go with that on Benaud or Hadlee though. Those guys were relied upon for runs.


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    I would have classified Shaun Pollock as allrounder as he averages 32, and has hit 2 centuries, plus 16 fifties. Sure he was primarily a bowler because of his great partnership with Allan Donald, but anyone who averages more than 30 with the bat is a competent batsman. Therefore, perhaps there should be two categories of allrounder for future 'mystery' picks - 'bowling allrounder' and 'batting allrounder'.

    However, that's all by-the-by as I'm sure no one minds Monk scoring Shaun Pollock anyway.
    Last edited by watson; 27-08-2014 at 03:24 PM.
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    Victor Trumper - Bill Lawry - Don Bradman - Greg Chappell - Allan Border - Keith Miller - Adam Gilchrist - Alan Davidson - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee - Glenn McGrath

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    Monk's XI

    - Barry Richards ^
    - Bruce Mitchell (7)
    - Charlie Macartney (6)
    - Brian Lara ^
    - John Wright
    - Shane Watson (5) ^
    - Wilfred Rhodes (4)
    - Shaun Pollock (2)
    - George Fullerton +
    - Joel Garner (3)
    - Dennis Lillee (1)


    So, in the end I'm fairly happy. Decent, solid team who would be hard to beat. High quality pace bowling trio backed up by Watson. Rhodes, Macartney and Mitchell form a spin trio with some variety. Top four is strong as an ox.

    Thanks to Harsh for a well run and fun draft.
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    I'd actually have taken Pollock or Paul Adams over any of the Australian options anyway. Obv much happier with Pollock.

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    01. Eddie Barlow*
    02. Conrad Hunte
    03. Stan McCabe
    04. Graeme Pollock
    05. Tom Graveney
    06. Aubrey Faulkner
    07. Mike Procter
    08. George Thompson
    09. Jackie Hendriks +
    10. Malcolm Marshall
    11. Courtney Walsh

    Happy with this team in the end after being handed a relative unknown. Bats all the way down to 10 and would clean-up on any wicket with a bit of bounce n' seam.

    Thanks as well to harsh for an enthralling draft and all the usual hard work.
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    01. Virender Sehwag
    02. Saeed Anwar
    03. George Headley
    04. Greg Chappell (6)
    05. Keith Miller (2)
    06. Archie Maclaren
    07. Imran Khan* (1)
    08. Deryck Murray†
    09. Bert Vogler (5)
    10. Dale Steyn (3)
    11. Bob Willis (4)


    Quite happy with this, more than some of the sides I've built in the regular format drafts. The opening partnership has a genuine match winner and a graceful and elegant stroke player. Together they can get the team to good starts with scoring good amount of runs, specially on subcontinent surfaces. At number 3 I have just the man needed to steady the ship in case of an early wicket in Headley who can be relied upon in the most difficult of situations. Him, Chappell and Miller form a spectacular middle order.

    The bowling unit is strong, particularly the pace battery of Miller, Imran, Steyn and Willis. The four of them provide everything you can ask for from a pace attack in genuine pace, aggression, skill, quality match winning ability in most circumstances and surfaces. Backing them up would be Vogler and Chappell.
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    And thanks a lot to harsh for organizing a fantastic draft.
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    Bagapath's XI

    Bob Simpson (c)
    WG Grace
    Kumar Ranjitsinhji
    Sir Everton Weekes
    Sir Garfield Sobers (5)
    Gilbert Jessop
    Prasanna Jayawardene (wk)
    John Snow (2)
    Sir Curtley Ambrose (1)
    Ken Higgs (3)
    Clarrie Grimmett (4)

    Thanks for running this draft, Harsh. It was fun.

    This is a very good team. In fact, I think I have never got a better team in any of the drafts I have been part of.

    I love the top 5. It is of ATG quality with plenty of stroke makers and stylists and stubborn gluttons for runs. When the opposition finally gets them out, Jessop with his big hitting and Jayawardene with his pluck can give the bowlers more headache.

    Ambrose and Grimmett are dream bowlers. Any cricket fan of any era would want them in his team. John Snow is a great fast bowler too. Higgs, with an average of 20 is the perfect third seamer. Of course, Sobers is there for some more swing bowling, or left arm spin.

    Bob Simpson and Gary Sobers are among the greatest fielders of all time. And I trust Bob Simpson to lead them well.

    All in all, I am quite pleased with how things turned out in the end.
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    Michael Slater
    Marvan Atapattu
    Viv Richards*
    Javed Miandad
    Dudley Nourse
    Brian McMillan (4)
    Billy Barnes (3)
    Ken Wadsworth+
    Fred Trueman (2)
    Muttiah Muralitharan (5)
    Glenn McGrath (1)

    A lot of stars but also quite a few average players. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    Michael Slater
    Marvan Atapattu
    Viv Richards*
    Javed Miandad
    Dudley Nourse
    Brian McMillan (4)
    Billy Barnes (3)
    Ken Wadsworth+
    Fred Trueman (2)
    Muttiah Muralitharan (5)
    Glenn McGrath (1)

    A lot of stars but also quite a few average players. Interesting.
    superb middle order. great opening bowlers and, obviously, the best spinner possible. atapattu, mcmillan and wadsworth kinda dilute the star quality, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    superb middle order. great opening bowlers and, obviously, the best spinner possible. atapattu, mcmillan and wadsworth kinda dilute the star quality, though.
    Disagree regarding Wadsworth as he was a class act, and couldn't help dying of melanoma as he was approaching his peak at aged 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Disagree regarding Wadsworth as he was a class act, and couldn't help dying of melanoma as he was approaching his peak at aged 29.
    my bad. I should not've have passed lazy comments.
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