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    Quote Originally Posted by Howsie View Post
    Simple, drop Wagner. Potentially Henry could be right up there with Southee and Boult, IMO anyway. Wagner has been decent at times but he's never going to be that good.
    Wagner does offer something a bit different, I guess. But I would tend to agree with you - from the times I've seen Henry in play in domestic first class cricket, he looks to have the goods. I get the feeling (though it is only a feeling) that his potential is better than Wagner's potential. Really there are an embarrassment of seam bowling riches in the cupboard at the moment. We've been here before though and injuries have cost us in the past. If this generation can prove to be a bit more robust then we're well set.
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    I think a decision to play 4 seamers would be a lot easier to make if Kane had not been banned.

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    On a bouncy and lively wicket I would go for Henry but a flat dead wicket then Wagner would almost be my first pick. But to be fair I haven't seen enough of Henry to judge his temperament and variations when bowling on a dead track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howsie View Post
    Nah don't buy that, it's Chris Martin all over again. What exactly is bowling well for Neil Wagner? Averaging low 30's whilst chipping in with a wicket every once and awhile? Matt Henry is deadset potentially a 20's test bowler, someone who could rip sides apart. I don't care if he's moderate, Wagner that is. If their is a better option on the sidelines you bring him in regardless.
    Wagner's been doing better than chipping in with the occasional wicket. I think you're exaggerating your point a bit there. Wagner has swung games for us and he is a very different bowler to Southee and Boult, being adept at banging it in and threatening on unresponsive decks and finding reverse swing (and sometimes conventional).

    I think Henry is going to be the better bowler and possibly already is. At this stage though Wagner is very deserving of his place and dropping him now would send a "tee hee, we're going to chop and change and pick whoever we like" message to hopefuls outside the test team. Dropping performing players unless there are exceptional circumstances is just silly.

    I don't want to do what Australia have just done and bring in the glossy glamorous and overpriced young bowler in for a very good but unfashionable bowler. It's going to hurt Australia and I'd rather we didn't copy. If you want a batting example, then while I think Compton is already being remembered with rose tinted glasses, dropping him for the Root/Carberry/Robson train worked well.

    Henry is the next bowler in if someone is poor or injured and that's it right now. He's great injury cover for Southee since he can continue to provide the right arm outswing/left arm inswing opening combination. Personally I'd boot the spinner (especially if it's Sodhi) before Wagner where home games are concerned.
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    Thing is, assuming Anderson and Neesham are now locks in the Test side and Williamson is banned, don't you kind of need some sort of spin option as that looks like 6 seamers really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGG View Post
    On a bouncy and lively wicket I would go for Henry but a flat dead wicket then Wagner would almost be my first pick. But to be fair I haven't seen enough of Henry to judge his temperament and variations when bowling on a dead track.
    If memory serves he was pretty ineffective on last year's A tour of India and SRL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Thing is, assuming Anderson and Neesham are now locks in the Test side and Williamson is banned, don't you kind of need some sort of spin option as that looks like 6 seamers really?
    anderson isn't in the team anymore, just the squad so 5 seamers. not ideal balance i agree but if someone were to be dropped for henry then at this stage the spinner is left out at home.

    ideally henry remains first reserve for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    If memory serves he was pretty ineffective on last year's A tour of India and SRL.
    Not sure it was a genuinely dead track, that one four-dayer he played in Dambulla.



    I can remember a game in Nelson where he couldn't find any pace or lift at all. Carl Cachopa was able to treat him a bit like a bowling machine, his clean action seemed to allow Chops to see it very early and take to him on the up.
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    Hopefully Hesson does his usual research, and he doesn't overlook Henry purely on the basis the next assignment is in the UAE though. With NZ groundsmen taking their practices abroad, there's some pretty good pace and bounce to be found there now -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kippax View Post

    I can remember a game in Nelson where he couldn't find any pace or lift at all. Carl Cachopa was able to treat him a bit like a bowling machine, his clean action seemed to allow Chops to see it very early and take to him on the up.
    Yet with an average of 23 most NZ pitches must be to his liking. I wonder if we can filter how he does at Eden Park #2 let me take a look.

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    Plunket Shield Colin Maiden Park 2010/2011
    Henry 41 3
    Henry 38 0

    plunket Shield Eden Park Outer oval 2013/2014
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    Henry 52 0

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    Towards the end of Mark Perham's curating in 2013, Eden Park No. 2 had visibly the quickest and bounciest PS pitches in the country IMO.

    Dunedin is probably the one I'd look at for a reliably tedious, low-bounce graveyard for Matt Henry, and yet we all know Wagner manages to do very respectably there.

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    Yeah, Southee/Boult/Henry would be a very one-dimensional attack IMO, even if Henry is better than Wagner in isolation. Three guys reliant upon swing, and no real workhorse quick in there, plus the support from Neesham.

    With KW banned and Neesham in the side, a spinner is probably required after all, so 4 specialists is out.

    No way in for Henry just yet, unfortunately. Absolutely has to play ODIs though. I'd genuinely go close to backing him for best bowler in the World Cup.
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