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    The legacy of Chris Cairns

    When great all-rounders are discussed, Chris Cairns is rarely remembered. I'm not sure why.

    Based on raw statistics, he is in the same class as Ian Botham. He was clearly very important to his side, and was the sort of player that provides great balance to a line up, with an ability to bat at 6 or 7, plus being a genuine frontline bowler.

    I'll be honest, I only remember watching him on a few occasions, but what I do remember is very similar to Botham. Explosive batsman who could tear an attack apart, and very handy fast/med bowler.

    What were/are your thoughts on Cairns? How do you remember him?

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    Cairns would have been right up there with the best all rounders of all time had he not been so injury prone. In a career that spanned over 16 years he only managed 62 tests. He should have played double that number and if he had then 7000 runs and 400 wickets would not be a stretch.

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    I'm finding it hard to see him as anything else at the moment, as heartbreaking as that is.

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    His last 30 tests/6 years (10 Jun 1998-10 Jun 2004)

    Average of 41.5 with the bat (4 centuries)
    Average of 26.88 with the ball (4 wickets per test - 121 wickets)

    filtered 1998-2004 30 1909 158 41.50 4 121 7/27 26.88 9 3 0 14.61

    Was better than Kallis and Pollock at the time, and was clearly NZ's best player between the end of Martin Crowe's career and the start of Shane Bond's.

    Let's leave the 'other stuff' for the other threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ed_ View Post
    I'm finding it hard to see him as anything else at the moment, as heartbreaking as that is.
    It looks that way but I can't help but feel there is more to this story. IMO Cairns may well have spoken to said players about fixing games. However there is a difference between speaking to others and actually fixing games.

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    Saw someone suggest that if he was fixing, it just makes his stats all the more impressive -- averaging 40+ with the bat and <27 with the ball over a six year period is immense, let alone when you're (allegedly) intentionally underperforming at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Saw someone suggest that if he was fixing, it just makes his stats all the more impressive -- averaging 40+ with the bat and <27 with the ball over a six year period is immense, let alone when you're (allegedly) intentionally underperforming at times.
    I think most of the fixing allegations would have been when he played in the ICL.

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    I reckon he was a better bowler than batsman, but when his batting was on, have fun stopping him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbrooks View Post
    I think most of the fixing allegations would have been when he played in the ICL.
    if that is the case, doesn't tarnish his legacy at all imo

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    It absolutely tarnishes his legacy.

    Maybe not his record, but certainly his legacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    if that is the case, doesn't tarnish his legacy at all imo
    Allegedly taking money from the underworld most certainly does, even if it is in a league you dgaf about.
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    Yeh, look, I know....

    My point was more, you know...

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