*Official** New Zealand in England

Craig · 14-01-2004, 02:54 AM

This is not the Official tour thread but a thread to discuss the likely results, predictations etc.

I predicate a 2-1 result to either side as IMO both sides are pretty even.

This would be the likely tour squad (one I would pick): Richardson, Fulton, Papps, Fleming, Styris, McMillan, Astle (if fit - then Lou Vincent or Richard Jones), McIntosh, Cairns, Oram, McCullum (back up 'keeper), Hart, Vettori, Hart, Tuffey, Bond (if fit).

The only certaines are: Richardson, Fleming, McMillan, Styris, Astle (if fit), Cairns, Oram, Hart, Vettori, Tuffey, Bond (if fit).

IMO Hart is probably even to Read in keeping ability and in batting ability, but superior to Jones perhaps 'keeping ability but not in batting.

If there is any seam movement, Tuffey will have Trescothick for dinner.

Tim · 14-01-2004, 02:59 AM

Hart is not necessarily a definite for the England tour. He'll need to show some form with the bat against South Africa if he wants to stay ahead of McCullum.

Otherwise I agree, on current form, that would be the squad I would take..and then add Jesse Ryder for the ODI's.

Tim · 14-01-2004, 03:03 AM

Jeff Wilson would be the other player I would seriously consider.

Salamuddin · 14-01-2004, 03:05 AM

Should be a keenly contested series.

Too close to call IMO.

Craig · 14-01-2004, 03:06 AM

Actually Butler would be in there over the second Hart. Purely a typo then Matt Hart.

southern man · 14-01-2004, 03:15 AM

How many players will be in the one day squad?

Craig · 14-01-2004, 03:26 AM

About 14.

Lou Vincent mustnt play for NZ again for the rest of the season, he must prove himself for Auckland this summer.

southern man · 14-01-2004, 03:35 AM

My odi squad will be

Astle,Cumming,Fleming,Marshall,Styris,McMillan,Cai rns,Oram,
Sinclair,Vettori,McCullum,Wilson,Bond,Tuffey,Mils.

Craig · 14-01-2004, 03:41 AM

England squad (these are the only certainies barring injury):

ME Trescothick, MP Vaughan (c), MA Butcher, N Hussain, GP Thorpe, A Flintoff (Hopefully Lara will prove what a over-rated Test cricketer he is), AF Giles (Because the selectors love him and Lara will probably have him for dinner).

Steve Harmison and Simon Jones might play as well.

Kent · 14-01-2004, 05:57 AM

Good NZ squad, Craig. I see you'd drop Vincent for the SA series. Replaced by Papps or McIntosh?

I thought it could be 17 for an England tour, so I might add Kyle Mills as a swing bowling option if that's the case. I'd also hold off on Fulton's place until after the Sri Lankan 'A' series. The reason being I could see Hamish Marshall coping well with a one-off test if Astle was injured or McMillan gets the yips, whereas Fulton feels like a slightly more complicated swap.

Richard · 14-01-2004, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Craig
If there is any seam movement, Tuffey will have Trescothick for dinner.

That's a BIG if for all 3 Tests, of course...
We might be lucky enough to get it in one, possibly even two.
Anyway, that goes without saying - you just need to look at the Third Test, first-innings in Auckland. Never, ever seen Trescothick dismissed like that, though he had almost equal trouble with all the bowlers that series.

Tom Halsey · 14-01-2004, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craig
If there is any seam movement, Tuffey will have Trescothick for dinner.

And if there isn't, Trescothick will have Tuffey, and the rest, for dinner.

Richard · 14-01-2004, 11:18 AM

Not neccesarily.
If Bond and Tuffey bowl with the accuracy they have sometimes shown, Trescothick will likely play a poor stroke that results in his dismissal before the opening burst is out.
South Africa did that reasonably well last summer.

southern man · 14-01-2004, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by halsey
And if there isn't, Trescothick will have Tuffey, and the rest, for dinner.

We also have a strike bowler who will be fit by then with the name of BOND.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 14-01-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by southern man
We also have a strike bowler who will be fit by then with the name of BOND.

One hopes that he will be fit and will be a strike bowler. It would be a shame if another promising bowler goes down to injury.

14-01-2004, 05:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
Kent State 12th Man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 773	Good NZ squad, Craig. I see you'd drop Vincent for the SA series. Replaced by Papps or McIntosh? I thought it could be 17 for an England tour, so I might add Kyle Mills as a swing bowling option if that's the case. I'd also hold off on Fulton's place until after the Sri Lankan 'A' series. The reason being I could see Hamish Marshall coping well with a one-off test if Astle was injured or McMillan gets the yips, whereas Fulton feels like a slightly more complicated swap. Last edited by Kent; 14-01-2004 at 11:51 AM.

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14-01-2004, 02:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	Hart is not necessarily a definite for the England tour. He'll need to show some form with the bat against South Africa if he wants to stay ahead of McCullum. Otherwise I agree, on current form, that would be the squad I would take..and then add Jesse Ryder for the ODI's.

14-01-2004, 03:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	Jeff Wilson would be the other player I would seriously consider.

14-01-2004, 03:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
Salamuddin International Debutant Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lakemba, Sydney Posts: 2,074	Should be a keenly contested series. Too close to call IMO.

14-01-2004, 03:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
Craig World Traveller Join Date: May 2003 Location: Super Happy Fun Sugar Lollipop Land! Posts: 34,131	Actually Butler would be in there over the second Hart. Purely a typo then Matt Hart.

14-01-2004, 03:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
southern man U19 Cricketer Join Date: May 2003 Location: dunedin new zealand Posts: 461	How many players will be in the one day squad?

14-01-2004, 03:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
Craig World Traveller Join Date: May 2003 Location: Super Happy Fun Sugar Lollipop Land! Posts: 34,131	About 14. Lou Vincent mustnt play for NZ again for the rest of the season, he must prove himself for Auckland this summer.

14-01-2004, 03:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
southern man U19 Cricketer Join Date: May 2003 Location: dunedin new zealand Posts: 461	My odi squad will be Astle,Cumming,Fleming,Marshall,Styris,McMillan,Cai rns,Oram, Sinclair,Vettori,McCullum,Wilson,Bond,Tuffey,Mils.

14-01-2004, 03:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
Craig World Traveller Join Date: May 2003 Location: Super Happy Fun Sugar Lollipop Land! Posts: 34,131	England squad (these are the only certainies barring injury): ME Trescothick, MP Vaughan (c), MA Butcher, N Hussain, GP Thorpe, A Flintoff (Hopefully Lara will prove what a over-rated Test cricketer he is), AF Giles (Because the selectors love him and Lara will probably have him for dinner). Steve Harmison and Simon Jones might play as well.

14-01-2004, 11:18 AM	#13 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Not neccesarily. If Bond and Tuffey bowl with the accuracy they have sometimes shown, Trescothick will likely play a poor stroke that results in his dismissal before the opening burst is out. South Africa did that reasonably well last summer.

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