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    ***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

    Unless I have missed it we don't have a thread on this - and just delete this if we do.

    West Indies Selection v BLACKCAPS
    Thursday, 29 May 2014 –TBA
    Warm-up match – BLACKCAPS tour of West Indies

    West Indies Selection v BLACKCAPS
    Monday, 2 June 2014 –TBA
    Warm-up match – BLACKCAPS tour of West Indies

    West Indies v BLACKCAPS
    Sunday, 8 June 2014 –Sabina Park, Kingston
    Test Match – BLACKCAPS tour of West Indies

    West Indies v BLACKCAPS
    Monday, 16 June 2014 –Queens Park Oval, Port of Spain, Trinidad
    Test Match – BLACKCAPS tour of West Indies

    West Indies v BLACKCAPS
    Thursday, 26 June 2014 –National Stadium, Providence, Guyana
    Test Match – BLACKCAPS tour of West Indies

    West Indies v BLACKCAPS
    Saturday, 5 July 2014 –Windsor Park, Roseau, Dominica
    International Twenty-20 – BLACKCAPS tour of West Indies

    West Indies v BLACKCAPS
    Sunday, 6 July 2014 –Windsor Park, Roseau, Dominica
    International Twenty-20 – BLACKCAPS tour of West Indies

    BLACKCAPS Test squad for tour to the West Indies
    Brendon McCullum (c) - Otago Volts
    Corey Anderson - Northern Knights
    Trent Boult - Northern Knights
    Mark Craig - Otago Volts
    Peter Fulton - Canterbury Wizards
    Tom Latham - Canterbury Wizards
    James Neesham - Otago Volts
    Luke Ronchi – Wellington Firebirds
    Hamish Rutherford - Otago Volts
    Ish Sodhi - Northern Knights
    Tim Southee - Northern Knights
    Ross Taylor - Central Stags
    Neil Wagner - Otago Volts
    BJ Watling - Northern Knights
    Kane Williamson - Northern Knights

    Make your predictions - I think NZ will hard pressed to win this series unless Latham is a revelation as opener (and is actually picked). Narine to be a handful.
    Windies to win 2-0. Realise significant discussion has already taken place in the NZ off season thread but this tour was always going to get its own thread. Mods to make this **official** in due course
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    it's like 2 months away.

    But yeah, I can't wait either. I think our fortunes in this series depend on Southee and Boult retaining their form over the last 2 years. If they do, even in difficult bowling conditions, I think they'll be too much for the Windies.

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    We did manage to pull our socks up and hold Sri Lanka to a drawn series so there's a chance but our overseas form is woeful, Colombo and Hobart aside.

    This is a series NZ should really be targeting to win if they want to show they're a contender rather than the home town heroes they've been since England toured two summers ago but considering we're trying our best to commit hari kari by making noises about two spinners I'm not optimistic we will be able to control their batsmen when Southee and Boult aren't bowling.
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    If we win an away series against any nation barring Zimbos, ( Bangers at home are tough (don't laugh at that fans from the top 3 teams until you play them yourselves on their home turf)) then that would be a massive accomplishment.

    I suspect a couple of things will be against us apart from just the pitches
    a) Motivation - I reckon the Windies will be targeting pay back for their loss to us.
    b) Better selection policy - surely they will pick a better bowling attack this time around.


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    It's interesting how cricket works, I think New Zealand are in the same position that we were before the disastrous dual tour of India and New Zealand. We had just won 6 tests in a row, 4 at home in a comprehensive fashion. West Indies fans were all saying 'right, we've proven we are good in our own conditions, now we need to win in NZ to show we really are improving and ready to move up the test rankings'.

    Of course, we all know how that went, we were awful and got thrashed non-stop for 2 months in a row by a resurgent New Zealand, failing miserably against the moving ball and bowling a pile of dross.. Now it's New Zeeland's turn to prove they can win away from home when the ball is turning and only swinging for a few overs with the new ball (maybe for longer at the QPO). How they play our high quality spin attack will be very interesting.

    As Hurricane said, it does depend on the side West Indies select too. If they select the same seam attack I will back NZ to win 3-0. If they select some decent seamers to complement our spinners I think we might well win. I'm very much looking forward to it anyway.

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    Are you kidding? We have no chance. West Indies are far and away the best home team, we were lucky we beat them at home as they had at least 3 all time greats not in the side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    Are you kidding? We have no chance. West Indies are far and away the best home team, we were lucky we beat them at home as they had at least 3 all time greats not in the side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Silly, silly post. We were only missing Gayle and Roach through injury, a couple of others were self inflicted by our selectors, hence our irritation. The margin of victory was such that it probably would not have made a difference but I really don't see the problem with us pointing it out. If the shoe were on the other foot I would not be so defensive as you.

    Hopefully the series itself will provoke a higher standard of discussion. I'm looking forward to seeing a few new players and hopefully a decent standard of cricket from both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    Are you kidding? We have no chance. West Indies are far and away the best home team, we were lucky we beat them at home as they had at least 3 all time greats not in the side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    anyway what will be interesting is the pitches.

    the West Indies backed their spinners on a turner at hamilton and it didn't pay off, but at home you would think they're more confident. the only problem is they need to be careful not to be excessive with their pitches or they risk putting out something even sodhi is dangerous on, and imo KW is the dark horse troll bowler who could be accurate enough to put the ball in the right place on a turner and be more of a threat than NZs specialist spinners.

    the other problem with preparing spinning pitches is the windies have to drop all their bang it in types and slow mediums and bring in pitch it up quicks like roach. best, sammy, gabriel et al will just sit up nicely for the batsmen.

    I would actually hedge my bets a bit and prepare a pitch which takes turn but not ridiculous amounts and play 3 quicks and Narine. That way you get to negate the NZ seamers a bit, see how the NZ batsmen cope on foreign spin friendly pitches (worse than at Hamilton I expect) and you give Narine an advantage Sodhi isn't good enough to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    anyway what will be interesting is the pitches.

    the West Indies backed their spinners on a turner at hamilton and it didn't pay off, but at home you would think they're more confident. the only problem is they need to be careful not to be excessive with their pitches or they risk putting out something even sodhi is dangerous on, and imo KW is the dark horse troll bowler who could be accurate enough to put the ball in the right place on a turner and be more of a threat than NZs specialist spinners.

    the other problem with preparing spinning pitches is the windies have to drop all their bang it in types and slow mediums and bring in pitch it up quicks like roach. best, sammy, gabriel et al will just sit up nicely for the batsmen.

    I would actually hedge my bets a bit and prepare a pitch which takes turn but not ridiculous amounts and play 3 quicks and Narine. That way you get to negate the NZ seamers a bit, see how the NZ batsmen cope on foreign spin friendly pitches (worse than at Hamilton I expect) and you give Narine an advantage Sodhi isn't good enough to use.
    I look forward to your posts and you always deliver. I give this post a 9/10. My eyebrow raised at one point... I really don't think negating sodhi will cross their mind due to his immaturity as a bowler. At best he will get 3fer on a bunsen due to his lack of control and the fact he turns his googly too much and thus this takes out lbw as a mode of dismissal.

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    There definitely lies an optimal point somewhere between preparing a pitch that they should pick three quicks on and preparing a pitch that Sodhi will be a threat on. They'll definitely be picking two spinners and so they should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beamer View Post
    Silly, silly post. We were only missing Gayle and Roach through injury, a couple of others were self inflicted by our selectors, hence our irritation. The margin of victory was such that it probably would not have made a difference but I really don't see the problem with us pointing it out. If the shoe were on the other foot I would not be so defensive as you.

    Hopefully the series itself will provoke a higher standard of discussion. I'm looking forward to seeing a few new players and hopefully a decent standard of cricket from both sides.
    Uh, that post wasn't serious. I actually think the series will be very close, with the WIndies perhaps having the upper hand with returned players & home ground advantages. I wanted to get the hyperbole in before WW, but...

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    wat

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    I don't know about the rest of the make up of the WI team, but I would love to see the following bowling lineup: Holder, Roach, Narine and Cummings/Rampaul.
    Cause Slifer said so.........!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    There definitely lies an optimal point somewhere between preparing a pitch that they should pick three quicks on and preparing a pitch that Sodhi will be a threat on. They'll definitely be picking two spinners and so they should.
    Yeah, they could go over-the-top like NZ did with the Basin pitch against India where the match would have been decided by the toss were it not for an ATG innings.

    If they make a spinning track and NZ makes 300 or so first up they could be in trouble. Sodhi isn't that bad, and it's not like Bravo is Lara just yet.
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