Mark Waugh

Ford_GTHO351 · 13-01-2004, 01:30 AM

What do you all think in what form of the game was Mark Waugh more successful in, Tests or ODI's?

I personally think that he was a better ODI player.

Pratters · 13-01-2004, 01:33 AM

Most certainly one dayers. His test innig in 1995 where he had the partnership with Steve which helped them win the series in the Windies was a very good inning though. So he could certainly bat well in the tests too. People forget what a good slip fielder he was too, which was a good attriubute to have when you play tests.

Ford_GTHO351 · 13-01-2004, 01:41 AM

Mark Waugh will go down as one of the best slips fielders (Tests and ODI's) of all time.

Shane Warne · 13-01-2004, 10:53 AM

probably 1DI`s

Richard · 13-01-2004, 04:05 PM

ODIs, but only because he played more.
If Tests could be as frequent as ODIs, I reckon he'd be about equal.
If anything, his ODI record is in the end a little disappointing - he's a better player for me than just about 40. He could have been 44-5.

KishanTeli · 13-01-2004, 05:49 PM

I think Mark was marginally a better ODI player then Test not to say he wasn't a good Test player. I loved to watch him in either forms of the game, his timing was superb, a delight to watch.

His fielding was brilliant, second to none. He took some wonderful catches at slip.

Richard · 14-01-2004, 09:42 AM

His catching might have been up with the best but his ground-fielding was acceptible and no more.

shankar · 14-01-2004, 10:12 AM

yeah he was a great catcher...i especially remember 2 of his catches at short-midwicket when he was completely parallel to the ground (one of them was in the last innings at madras in the 2001 tour to india which almost won the series for aus)

Sudeep · 14-01-2004, 10:27 AM

Mark Waugh is probably one of the best Australian cricketers to ever play... both Tests and ODI.

I was just wondering... and wanted to get an opinion... Will Mark's achievements be under-rated, because of Steve Waugh's achievement? I do think so...

Richard · 14-01-2004, 11:10 AM

Test average under 42, ODI average under 40...
Not under-rated; a big, big underachiever.
Stephen is by far the better player.

Ford_GTHO351 · 14-01-2004, 01:53 PM

Here is a stats comparison with Steve Waugh's and Mark Waugh's career:

Tests

Steve Waugh
Matches: 168

Batting
Innings: 260
Not Outs: 46
Runs: 10927
Highest Score: 200
Average: 51.06
Strike Rate: 48.64
100's: 32
50's: 50

Bowling
Overs: 1300.5
Maidens: 332
Runs conceded: 3445
Wickets: 92
Average: 37.44
Best Bowling in a innings: 5/28
Strike Rate: 84.8
Economy: 2.64
5WI: 3
10WM: 0

Fielding
Catches: 112

Mark Waugh
Matches: 128

Batting
Innings: 209
Not Outs: 17
Runs: 8029
Highest Score: 153*
Average: 41.81
Strike Rate: 52.27
100's: 20
50's: 47

Bowling
Overs: 808.5
Maidens: 171
Runs conceded: 2429
Wickets: 59
Average: 41.16
Best Bowling in a innings: 5/40
Strike Rate: 82.2
Economy: 3.00
5WI: 1
10WM: 0

Fielding
Catches: 181

ODI's

Steve Waugh
Matches: 325

Batting
Innings: 288
Not Outs: 58
Runs: 7569
Highest Score: 120*
Average: 32.90
Strike Rate: 75.91
100's: 3
50's: 45

Bowling
Overs: 1480.3
Maidens: 56
Runs conceded: 6761
Wickets: 195
Average: 34.67
Best Bowling in a innings: 4/33
Strike Rate: 45.5
Economy: 4.56
5WI: 0

Fielding
Catches: 111

Mark Waugh
Matches: 244

Batting
Innings: 236
Not Outs: 20
Runs: 8500
Highest Score: 173
Average: 39.35
Strike Rate: 76.83
100's: 18
50's: 50

Bowling
Overs: 614.3
Maidens: 11
Runs conceded: 2938
Wickets: 85
Average: 34.56
Best Bowling in a innings: 5/24
Strike Rate: 43.3
Economy: 4.78
5WI: 1

Fielding
Catches: 108

quytst0rm · 14-01-2004, 08:00 PM

IMO Mark is a better ODI player then Stephen.

Mister Wright · 14-01-2004, 08:09 PM

Mark Waugh was a highly over-rated player. For the amount of talent he had he was a massive under achiever. He is one of the rare players to have a higher ODI higher score than a test higher score, and for someone who played 100+ tests that is not good enough.

The one thing I will give Mark Waugh he usually scored runs when you needed them. However to have 20 odd centuries and to have a highest score of 154* just says something about the player.

And for the great catcher he was he did drop some dead-set sitters.

Andre · 14-01-2004, 08:41 PM

Mark Waugh is god - simple as that.

The Argonaut · 14-01-2004, 09:26 PM

Mark was better than Steve in ODI and vice versa for tests. He was a great slipper though I once saw him put 2 easy ones down off consecutive balls. He gave his wicket away too easily at times for my liking. A good player not a great player.

I'm wondering why he continues to be selected for NSW when his form over last year and a half has been pretty ordinary.

13-01-2004, 01:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
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13-01-2004, 01:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
Pratters Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kolkata, India Posts: 20,794	Most certainly one dayers. His test innig in 1995 where he had the partnership with Steve which helped them win the series in the Windies was a very good inning though. So he could certainly bat well in the tests too. People forget what a good slip fielder he was too, which was a good attriubute to have when you play tests.

13-01-2004, 01:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ford_GTHO351 U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 585	Mark Waugh will go down as one of the best slips fielders (Tests and ODI's) of all time.

13-01-2004, 10:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
Shane Warne Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Upper Ferntree Gully, Victoria Posts: 1,073	probably 1DI`s

13-01-2004, 05:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
KishanTeli School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 94	I think Mark was marginally a better ODI player then Test not to say he wasn't a good Test player. I loved to watch him in either forms of the game, his timing was superb, a delight to watch. His fielding was brilliant, second to none. He took some wonderful catches at slip.

14-01-2004, 09:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	His catching might have been up with the best but his ground-fielding was acceptible and no more.

14-01-2004, 10:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
shankar International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Southampton Posts: 2,350	yeah he was a great catcher...i especially remember 2 of his catches at short-midwicket when he was completely parallel to the ground (one of them was in the last innings at madras in the 2001 tour to india which almost won the series for aus)

14-01-2004, 10:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
Sudeep International Captain Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chandler, AZ, USA Posts: 7,282	Mark Waugh is probably one of the best Australian cricketers to ever play... both Tests and ODI. I was just wondering... and wanted to get an opinion... Will Mark's achievements be under-rated, because of Steve Waugh's achievement? I do think so...

14-01-2004, 11:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Test average under 42, ODI average under 40... Not under-rated; a big, big underachiever. Stephen is by far the better player.

14-01-2004, 01:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ford_GTHO351 U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 585	Here is a stats comparison with Steve Waugh's and Mark Waugh's career: Tests Steve Waugh Matches: 168 Batting Innings: 260 Not Outs: 46 Runs: 10927 Highest Score: 200 Average: 51.06 Strike Rate: 48.64 100's: 32 50's: 50 Bowling Overs: 1300.5 Maidens: 332 Runs conceded: 3445 Wickets: 92 Average: 37.44 Best Bowling in a innings: 5/28 Strike Rate: 84.8 Economy: 2.64 5WI: 3 10WM: 0 Fielding Catches: 112 Mark Waugh Matches: 128 Batting Innings: 209 Not Outs: 17 Runs: 8029 Highest Score: 153* Average: 41.81 Strike Rate: 52.27 100's: 20 50's: 47 Bowling Overs: 808.5 Maidens: 171 Runs conceded: 2429 Wickets: 59 Average: 41.16 Best Bowling in a innings: 5/40 Strike Rate: 82.2 Economy: 3.00 5WI: 1 10WM: 0 Fielding Catches: 181 ODI's Steve Waugh Matches: 325 Batting Innings: 288 Not Outs: 58 Runs: 7569 Highest Score: 120* Average: 32.90 Strike Rate: 75.91 100's: 3 50's: 45 Bowling Overs: 1480.3 Maidens: 56 Runs conceded: 6761 Wickets: 195 Average: 34.67 Best Bowling in a innings: 4/33 Strike Rate: 45.5 Economy: 4.56 5WI: 0 Fielding Catches: 111 Mark Waugh Matches: 244 Batting Innings: 236 Not Outs: 20 Runs: 8500 Highest Score: 173 Average: 39.35 Strike Rate: 76.83 100's: 18 50's: 50 Bowling Overs: 614.3 Maidens: 11 Runs conceded: 2938 Wickets: 85 Average: 34.56 Best Bowling in a innings: 5/24 Strike Rate: 43.3 Economy: 4.78 5WI: 1 Fielding Catches: 108

14-01-2004, 08:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
quytst0rm School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: NY Posts: 131	IMO Mark is a better ODI player then Stephen.

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14-01-2004, 08:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
Andre International Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 3,112	Mark Waugh is god - simple as that.

14-01-2004, 09:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
The Argonaut State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 1,351	Mark was better than Steve in ODI and vice versa for tests. He was a great slipper though I once saw him put 2 easy ones down off consecutive balls. He gave his wicket away too easily at times for my liking. A good player not a great player. I'm wondering why he continues to be selected for NSW when his form over last year and a half has been pretty ordinary.