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    i want to write off mcmillan as a parody but mccullum did credit him for helping him improve his performances this summer iirc.

    but if his coaching is anything like his commentary...

    horne seems to be spoken well of. siddons' success with papps is overstated imo. wellington still don't have a batsman in the test side and watching the vault footage papps is more or less the same player with a new backlift and more willingness to hit over the top. the flaw which prevents him from being a test cricketer (pressing forward to back of a length bowling) is still there.

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    Should almost definitely be Siddons from what I know of the candidates, which means Bradburn is a shoo in.
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    McMillan didn't actually have a bad technique or anything. And he might actually tell Guptill to play his natural game, which while not a good thing is better than him playing the way he has been of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    McMillan didn't actually have a bad technique or anything. And he might actually tell Guptill to play his natural game, which while not a good thing is better than him playing the way he has been of late.
    Yeah fair but if you've heard him talk about the game on TV you should be worried about some of the **** he'd say if he was the batting coach. He just doesn't seem to have the analytical eye I'd like to see from someone in that position, though he probably does overplay his views for the viewers at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFootPunch View Post
    Yeah fair but if you've heard him talk about the game on TV you should be worried about some of the **** he'd say if he was the batting coach. He just doesn't seem to have the analytical eye I'd like to see from someone in that position, though he probably does overplay his views for the viewers at times.
    I reckon it's this. A Test match cricketer would have to talk differently to a TV audience than to another Test level batsman. I just hope he knows when he's got the wrong idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFootPunch View Post
    Yeah fair but if you've heard him talk about the game on TV you should be worried about some of the **** he'd say if he was the batting coach. He just doesn't seem to have the analytical eye I'd like to see from someone in that position, though he probably does overplay his views for the viewers at times.
    I'd agree, but to play devil's advocate, a) is there much technical analysis beyond the obvious that's actually going to help the players? b) it's possible he does actually have some of his own unique knowledge and c) The same sort of facilitative role that Hesson seems to perform where he uses the resources within the group rather than dictate might be the best method.

    I mean, the best possible batting coaches in NZ might actually be Ross Taylor and Brendon McCullum, so if they get to a point where McMillan is responsible for basically throwdowns and making sure everyone prepares in their own individual manner, that might actually be the best option so long as they're working together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    I'd agree, but to play devil's advocate, a) is there much technical analysis beyond the obvious that's actually going to help the players? b) it's possible he does actually have some of his own unique knowledge and c) The same sort of facilitative role that Hesson seems to perform where he uses the resources within the group rather than dictate might be the best method.

    I mean, the best possible batting coaches in NZ might actually be Ross Taylor and Brendon McCullum, so if they get to a point where McMillan is responsible for basically throwdowns and making sure everyone prepares in their own individual manner, that might actually be the best option so long as they're working together.
    I guess it does all depend on the role that Hesson and whoever else is in charge wants their batting coach to play. I think it's clear that most of our batsmen do need that technical analysis in order to improve - much of it is pretty obvious tbf, most of the posters on here can identify Guptill's major weaknesses - so someone who'll just give throw downs and reinforce bad habits won't do the trick. We do need someone who'll bring their own approach to the table but it needs to be someone willing to work in with each individual's needs. Hesson has the facilitative role sorted, he's brilliant at it. We need some fresh ideas imo and I don't think McMillan is the best guy for it.

    The problem is that all the best qualified people are unlikely to be keen - we've been extremely lucky with bowling coaches in recent years, perhaps we'll get lucky here too.

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    Yeah I agree. I guess Hesson will be best positioned to make that call.

    I'd love to get someone foreign in there. I keep thinking there might be some old 90s batsman like Atapattu or someone like that who might be interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Yeah I agree. I guess Hesson will be best positioned to make that call.

    I'd love to get someone foreign in there. I keep thinking there might be some old 90s batsman like Atapattu or someone like that who might be interested.
    Graham Gooch might be looking for a job soon. James Pamment seemed to do a pretty good job with ND in his first season.

    Siddons certainly has a lot of fans:

    Franklin also hailed coach Jamie Siddons whose success stories Michael Papps, Stephen Murdoch and Pollard were key contributors this campaign. "He's been a breath of fresh air after a number of years of mediocre cricket. He's very strong on his philosophies around batting and that's rubbing off on the young guys and even the older guys."
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    Me, Shakib [Al Hasan] and Mushfiqur [Rahim] the captain, we rate Jamie very, very highly and a lot of the boys do as well. He is the only one who changed our culture and changed the thinking of the batsmen," said Tamim.

    "He got aggressiveness into us and his hard work - his 3 years of hard work - is just paying off now. We won the [one-day] series against the West Indies recently and all the hard work he put in is just paying off now. It's unfortunate he's not with us any more, because I personally think he's an incredible coach."
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    Lancashire v Warwickshire Day 4, LV= County Championship - YouTube

    What a great day 4 pitch that is for April. Just too much turn from Jeets to get the fivefer he deserved.

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    McMillan looks a sitter for batting coach job | Stuff.co.nz

    Siddons, the Wellington coach who has two years left on his contract, said the job piqued his interest but with a young family it wasn't the right time.

    He was formerly Australia's batting coach under John Buchanan and has a proven track record as a batting specialist, with Bangladesh and the Firebirds.

    Edgar, the national selection manager under coach Mike Hesson, was a qualified batting coach in Sydney before returning to Auckland. He also seemed a good fit, but the former New Zealand opener said he was happy in his current role.

    That leaves McMillan, who stood in for Carter in the Wellington test against West Indies in December.

    He tasted success as Canterbury's batting coach when they won the Plunket Shield. Just four centuries were achieved, although as many as fourteen players averaged over 20 with the bat.

    Canterbury's head coach, Gary Stead, is understood to not be putting his name forward.

    McMillan's strength is seen as taking batsmen out of their comfort zones and trying to bridge the gap between domestic and international standard. The drawback for the 55-test batsman is the amount of time away from his family.

    New Zealand Cricket says its preference is to employ a New Zealander. Other contenders, if they apply, would be Northern Districts' James Pamment, Auckland's Matt Horne and former Knights coach Grant Brad burn, who also coached NZA. Wildcards would be Martin Crowe and Mark Greatbatch, although it's doubtful either would apply.

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    I still see it going to Bradburn, I don't think he would have resigned/made way for Carter, unless he had been shoulder tapped for a new role with in NZC.

    My only if, is that he has started doing commentary work as a secondary income stream so maybe he has been given the flick.

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