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    Last two years - Spinners' downturn in ODIs?

    Taking a look at the figures of spinners in ODIs over the last two years from this date, the results don't appear very positive. Here's the table, if you want to modify figures. I've included only those who have taken at least 20 wickets, to filter out part-timers.

    Amongst spinners who have played enough to take at least 20 wickets, only six bowlers have got averages under 30. Of the whole set, only Saeed Ajmal and Jim Tredwell have strike rates under or a little over 30. While economy rate is a useless statistic for a specialist strike bowler, Sunil Narine has a seriously effective economy of 4.19, which can make a difference, but there are few who score well even on this front- and one of them is Mohammed Hafeez, who's primarily a batsman. Only two, as against at least three different rosters you can make when you look for similar results in pace/seam/swing bowlers. The scene was much more encouraging, a year before, but that's mostly because of bowlers like Mishra, Bishoo and Tahir, who haven't played much. even then, the list bursts when you ask for pace bowler figures.

    Long-running spinners with plenty of ODI caps, with the exception of Ajmal, are struggling. Are we seeing a long-running trend of struggling spinners in the past few years? With strike rates swelling, are spinners now primarily restrictive bowlers? Or is this a reflection of team selections that plump for four seamers and a spinner? Or as has ODI cricket, as Bishan Bedi said, weakened the spinner? Test figures look a lot better, but I am not surprised to see plenty from the subcontinent and West Indies there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    A ball from each end probably to blame.
    Exactly, it has limited the role of spinners in ODIs. A big disadvantage for teams with quality spinners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Taking a look at the figures of spinners in ODIs over the last two years from this date, the results don't appear very positive. Here's the table, if you want to modify figures. I've included only those who have taken at least 20 wickets, to filter out part-timers.

    Amongst spinners who have played enough to take at least 20 wickets, only six bowlers have got averages under 30. Of the whole set, only Saeed Ajmal and Jim Tredwell have strike rates under or a little over 30. While economy rate is a useless statistic for a specialist strike bowler, Sunil Narine has a seriously effective economy of 4.19, which can make a difference, but there are few who score well even on this front- and one of them is Mohammed Hafeez, who's primarily a batsman. Only two, as against at least three different rosters you can make when you look for similar results in pace/seam/swing bowlers. The scene was much more encouraging, a year before, but that's mostly because of bowlers like Mishra, Bishoo and Tahir, who haven't played much. even then, the list bursts when you ask for pace bowler figures.

    Long-running spinners with plenty of ODI caps, with the exception of Ajmal, are struggling. Are we seeing a long-running trend of struggling spinners in the past few years? With strike rates swelling, are spinners now primarily restrictive bowlers? Or is this a reflection of team selections that plump for four seamers and a spinner? Or as has ODI cricket, as Bishan Bedi said, weakened the spinner? Test figures look a lot better, but I am not surprised to see plenty from the subcontinent and West Indies there.
    wow.....Hafeez's ER is under 4
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    Quote Originally Posted by karan316 View Post
    Exactly, it has limited the role of spinners in ODIs. A big disadvantage for teams with quality spinners.
    Maybe the spinners weren't that quality after all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Maybe the spinners weren't that quality after all?
    That'd be like using T20 bowling stats to conclude that bowlers were exposed for the hacks they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    That'd be like using T20 bowling stats to conclude that bowlers were exposed for the hacks they were.
    I thought we were talking format specific due to context?

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    Only 4 fielders allowed outside the circle instead of 5. Less need to go over the outfielders as there is one less part of the boundary covered. Just makes it a lot harder for spin bowlers imo.

    + the 2 new balls
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    The most likely explanation is that most of the "spinners" playing their trade currently are just crap.

    A change in the fielding restrictions and the 2 new balls rule possibly won't help (although if the 2 new balls was that big a problem, spinners would be of absolutely no use in T20), but it's worth noting that Ajmal has taken his wickets at 20 in the last 2 years.
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    Xavier Doherty wouldn't take a wicket even if field restrictions favoured him.
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