"People try to compare between the players of the past and the present, but the conditions under which the Bradmans and the Comptons played were different," - Sobers.
When this thread started, I was a little bit emotionally charged. I pride myself on being rational and logical hence I felt the need to take a time out from this thread, take a child pill and re-center my wa.
I was very miffed when you said this:
And then you continued to enforce the distinction which to me was just re-enforcing the idea that your ideas on race and culture would be better suited to pre 1990's.Originally Posted by Marius
During my hiatus from this thread, I came to remember that while I myself am a direct victim of Apartheid, so are you.
Nobody can tell you who or what you are. There is no law in our country that says you have to identify yourself as White, Black, Coloured, Mixed race, etc. There is no "formal" class or race status in this country and nothing anybody says to the contrary should convince you otherwise.
In fact, you are under no legal obligation to answer that question. Its called freedom. The freedom to choose. The freedom not to be told who you are.
In future if someone wants to ram classifications down your throat, you have my blessing and the blessing of the rest of South Africa to practice verbal kung-fu on the idiot. When you see, the question in print, answer N/A or just ignore it. If you are going for a job interview and someone wants to know your classification, tell them to go stuff their job. When the Census people come knocking at your door and need to select the race option, don't. You have a choice. Exercise it!
He left South Africa when he was 19. For context, Dale Steyn made his First Class debut at 20. He'd been recognised as a player of promise by being selected in his provincial Under 19s team even SA Under 19 Talent Squad (!!) but like most young cricketers, things do not come easy for you immediately.
Moreover, he hasn't really got anywhere near playing First Class cricket in England anyway. There are definitely more opportunities to be a semi-professional cricketer if you're not First Class standard in England so that's probably why he's enjoying it there; he's done nothing to suggest he's any good at all other than talk a big game.
I refuse to put my race on forms that ask for it.
But if people are making an argument around race (as Vice and Moonda do), then it is necessary to rebut them with race too.
One of the biggest mistakes that this government has made is the continued obsession with the hues of our skin.
Racial and ethnic classifications are ridiculous, but due to our country's history, they are still, unfortunately, a big part of our history. I can't change that.
serious question: how many years from now will we see the first all-black South Africa team?
2011 South Africa Census Data
Plainly stated that given any social event or gathering of people in SA, that given an imaginary upper limit of say 1000, that theoretically, there would be:
796 African black/Mixed Race people
90 Coloured people
89 White people
25 Asian people
Translated to an imaginary SA test cricket team squad of 15 people in a perfect world, there would be:
12 African black/Mixed race people
1 white person
1 Coloured person
These numbers and percentages assume a perfect statistical distribution and while there might be discrepancies to the mean, mode and median of any given sample population, allowances would be made such that given numerous population samples and the calculation of the standard mean (average), we would always get a perfect distribution of:
79.6% African black people
9.0 % Coloured people
8.9 % White people
2.5% Asian people
In any normal population, this distribution will happen naturally. SA is not normal as I'm sure many of you have picked up already.
We're screwed, Indians will never be allowed to get a gig, cause they make up only 2% of the population!
This is representivity taken to its logical conclusion, which is ridiculous.
You yourself said that nobody can 'label' us which I agree. Therefore, a representative South African side is one which has South Africans in it, no matter their ancestry. Hendrik Verwoerd must be sitting in hell rubbing his hands in glee at how South Africans are still so obsessed with race.
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