Kallis retires from Tests

[akilana]

Best allroundeer ever.

Random fact: Only 19 bowlers have bolwed more overs than him. He is ahead of Akram,Waqar, Donald, Zaheer, Anderson, Lillee, Imran, Marshall etc in terms of number of ball bowled. Not to mention his workload in ODIs. What a cricketer. Will be hard find an equivalent fir him again.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

So my favourite English player and my favourite non-English player retiring within a week of one another really does suck balls.

Most MOTM awards in Tests, second most MOTS. 13000 runs @ more than 55, nigh on 300 wickets at 32s and 200 catches, yet people question his greatness.

The last year has been a lean one but it's not all that long ago that this was the case:

That is a crazy stat and some people don't rate him as they should. Criminal.

Guess he is one of those we took for granted but boy will we miss him when he is gone and I speak as a cricket fan, god knows how South Africa replace him.

 

[Red]

Kallis wouldn't get into the SA team as a bowler. All the 80s crew in their peaks would get in their teams as either. Even Hadlee as a batsman at one point

That's the bottom line in allrounder stakes

Kallis could've easily played as third seamer. Or even as an opening bowler. But he didn't need to because South Africa had great quick bowlers. And his bowling role was with the older ball.

And he averaged 56 with the bat.

Kallis is a better bowler than Darren Sammy who is selected for the WI's as an opening bowler.

 

[GIMH]

I'm angry that that graphic doesn't show Sachin's bowling stats

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Best allroundeer ever.

Random fact: Only 19 bowlers have bolwed more overs than him. He is ahead of Akram,Waqar, Donald, Zaheer, Anderson, Lillee, Imran, Marshall etc in terms of number of ball bowled. Not to mention his workload in ODIs. What a cricketer. Will be hard find an equivalent fir him again.

See, when people say guff like "best allrounder ever", i know i'm debating people who know **** all about cricket.

Such nonsense just diminishes debate.

 

[91Jmay]

Kallis wouldn't get into the SA team as a bowler. All the 80s crew in their peaks would get in their teams as either. Even Hadlee as a batsman at one point

That's the bottom line in allrounder stakes

Jacques Kallis from 1999-2001 played 23 tests took 50 wickets at an average of 24.88

You really think he doesn't get in as a bowler?

 

[GuyFromLancs]

So at a peak as a bowler he took 2 wickets per match.

Check Botham's first 50 tests. That's a true allrounder

 

[indiaholic]

Why do retirement threads attract such poor posting? Questioning whether Kallis is an all rounder? **** me.

Unquestionably the greatest cricketer of the last 20 years. Sad to see him go.

 

[91Jmay]

He averaged 35.16 with the bat. That's a decent number 7, not really getting into the side as a specialist bat with that is he.

 

[kyear2]

Kallis wouldn't get into the SA team as a bowler. All the 80s crew in their peaks would get in their teams as either. Even Hadlee as a batsman at one point

That's the bottom line in allrounder stakes

Hadlee would not have made the N.Z. team as a batsman. He averaged 27 with the bat and scored two hundreds (from memory). One was against us where even he acknowledged he received some help from the umpires to get there and the second vs the minnow Sri Lanka. He himself didn't consider himself an all rounder just a bowler who could bat a bit. He was actually just as proud or prouder of his work in the field.
People constantly remedied us that Imran in the last 10 years of his career averaged 50 with the bat and 20 with the ball, they fail to include that those wickets a me at first or second change and he wasn't near the bowler he was before the injury and the wickets came at about 2 WPM. They also fail to acknowledge that if he averaged over 50 with the bat over the last 10 years, when as stated above he wasn't the same as a bowler, and ended his career with an average of 37, how much did he average with the bat prior to the injury and how effective a top order batsman he was.
Both am was not effective long enough to be in this argument and his final numbers attest to that. Kapil doesn't quite belong in this discussion as the best ever.

I personally believe that Gilchrist is a bigger challenge to Kallis as an allrounder than most of those from the 80's. But don't worry, I know how cw feels about Gilly being seen as an all rounder.

 

[Red]

So at a peak as a bowler he took 2 wickets per match.

Check Botham's first 50 tests. That's a true allrounder

Completely different players. Kallis a top order batsman and 4th or 5th bowler.

Botham at best a #6 batsman and an opening or first change quick.

See, when people say guff like "best allrounder ever", i know i'm debating people who know **** all about cricket.

I'd suggest people who try to compare Botham with Kallis know **** all about cricket....

 

[91Jmay]

I don't really get why GuyFromLancs seems to rate bowling as a more important aspect of an all-rounder than batting? Clue is in the name.

 

[kyear2]

The truth is that if a true all rounder would have made his team in either discipline only very few would have done it, if it is a player who was a legitimate successful top order batsman and front line bowler at the same time, really no one qualifies and only Sobers came close especially when he was opening the bowling for us and bearing the brunt of the bowling load. Behind that Kallis is good as the game has provided. He gives an ATG too order batsman and one of the two best 5th bowlers to have played the vale, capable as he showed as of last week of winning a game for his team and taking wickets when the front line didn't and gives the balance in a way a bowling All Rounder can't and then we add in his slip catching. He was arguably only behind Sir Garry.

 

[benchmark00]

Such lolworthy stuff getting around.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

He averaged 35.16 with the bat. That's a decent number 7, not really getting into the side as a specialist bat with that is he.

And 23 with the ball, with 11 centuries . And 4+ wickets per test

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Such lolworthy stuff getting around.

Yeah, like Kallis greatest allrounder ever 'lol'

 

[91Jmay]

And 23 with the ball, with 11 centuries . And 4+ wickets per test

A bloke averaging 35 with the bat is only getting into a pretty average team. He doesn't meet your daft standard of getting in with either aspects, so according to you isn't an all rounder.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Completely different players. Kallis a top order batsman and 4th or 5th bowler.

Botham at best a #6 batsman and an opening or first change quick.



I'd suggest people who try to compare Botham with Kallis know **** all about cricket....

Anyone who thinks Kallis is the greatest allrounder ever knows nothing.

That's just a fact

 

[GuyFromLancs]

A bloke averaging 35 with the bat is only getting into a pretty average team. He doesn't meet your daft standard of getting in with either aspects, so according to you isn't an all rounder.

35 in the 80s is pretty damned good. He was essentially like Gooch with the bat (Gooch averaged 38 in the 80s) plus world record wickets

 

[benchmark00]

Imagine how good Kallis would be if he played for Zimbabwe. Would be their best batsman and best bowler! Wow what a player!!