Riggins
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Yeah I probably should have read more than 1 post before asking.
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When will Philander average > 20?
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Yeah I probably should have read more than 1 post before asking.
the big bambino
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Thanks for pointing that out. Hadn't noticed.
OverratedSanity
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Only one more run for Philander to average 20. Warner WAG
Second Spitter
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They have Zim(a) and WI (h) coming up. His average will plummet.
But SL away; another 300 runs with one wicket.
flibbertyjibber
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Depends on his new ball spell, might only get one or two spells an innings in those series as you would also back Steyn and Morkel to get big hauls too so might not by default.
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Probably in the same sense as a Broad or a Swann. His batting was always pretty good.
Jimbo the giant
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Big Vern comes across as a bit soft don't you think, bowling a measly 6 overs in the 2nd innings of the deciding test match is very weak. He should have been leading the attack after Steyn was injured, not cowering behind a rookie like Abbott.
I'm predicting he will finish with about 170 wkts and average 24ish before getting dumped for an up and comer. That's a projection of 58 more wickets at just over 34 for the rest of his career. Davey Warner has taken big Verns soul.
I'm predicting he will finish with about 170 wkts and average 24ish before getting dumped for an up and comer. That's a projection of 58 more wickets at just over 34 for the rest of his career. Davey Warner has taken big Verns soul.
Fuller Pilch
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Nah, Australia made plans against him and they came off. I remember the NZ-Aus series 01/02 when we handled McGrath and Warne pretty easily (think both averaged 60+), but were they finished? No, they came back better than ever. It will be the same with Vern. He might be the no 4 paceman in the world now rather than 1 or 2, but he's the real deal and will play test cricket longer than Steyn, Johnson and Harris (and probably finish with the best stats of the quartet).
No doubting his capabilities with the ball, it speaks volumes of how well he's done when it's a big talking point that his average has touched twenty!. Anderson, Zaheer, Broad are (were in Zaheer's case) are considered good and they average 30! However, as others have pointed out, the average probably flatters him a bit. If there's one complaint I have against him it's that he seems to be pampered a lot. Smith always seems to turn to Morkel, Steyn (and Abbot in the last match) when there is dirty work to be done and when the going gets tough. That's probably good strategy more than anything else because Philander is not as effective with the old ball as he is with the new ball but still...I suspect that if he had been part of an attack like say, India's or Sri Lanka's, his stats perhaps would be worse (not Ishant Sharma type worse but maybe three-four points or so more than he does now). Pure conjecture though, gun bowler. Waiting to see how he goes in India and Sri Lanka.
On a related note, how underrated is Harris? Averages just a couple of points more than Philander and IIRC he was gun in Australia's win in SL 2-3 years back.
On a related note, how underrated is Harris? Averages just a couple of points more than Philander and IIRC he was gun in Australia's win in SL 2-3 years back.
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Jimbo the giant
U19 12th Man
What's he worth than 18-19 over 70 tests would probably make him the greatest of all time. That simply wont happen he's not near that good, he isn't even close to Steyn who averages 23, if you got a list of the best 23 test periods of every bowlers careers i'm sure there would be a few bowlers averaging sub 20 (or better than Philander). 34 isn't really that terrible to be honest, he could still have a few decent series and average that for the rest of his career. His trundling is going to get lit up in Asia. He's been feasting on weak kiwi batting too long, his honeymoon is over.
Jimbo the giant
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I suppose he can probably reinvent himself as a batsman LOL
Spark
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The cringe in this post is incredible. Don't know whether to start, really - should I go after the "someone isn't actually good enough to average <20 ---> averages 35!" (and 35 is bloody awful ftr) or the "oh, he might get smashed in Asia which nullifies EVERYTHING" or the "oh he's only performed against bad batting lineups"?
Look, he's probably not as good as Steyn. He's probably not as good as Harris either. But the bloke is peerless in modern cricket in his ability to make the batsman play the damn ball, which coupled with even the slightest bit of assistance in the pitch makes him a constant threat if not the wrecking ball that his new-ball partner is. And that's fine, Steyn might well be in the top five bowlers of all time and to say that "not as good as Steyn" automatically implies that he'll be awful from now on is rank stupid.